Sep 22, 2026 Workshop

[1.A 3rd Quarter Financial Report]

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ROLLING WITH OUR WORKSHOP, OUR CALL US TO ORDER. AND I BELIEVE RANDY'S GOING TO LEAD US OFF ON OUR THIRD QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT. THANK YOU. AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M RANDY CORMACK, THE BUDGET MANAGER. WITH THE THIRD QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT. WE'RE GOING TO DO JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND AND THEN WE'LL GO OVER THE GENERAL FUND, ELECTRIC AND WATER. THIS BUDGET REFLECTS ANY CIP ROLL FORWARDS AND MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENTS. THE YEAR OVER YEAR COMPARISONS ARE FY 2025 TO FY 2026. IN THE Q3, WE HAVE BUDGET TO ACTUALS COMPARISONS AND PROJECTIONS TO ACTUALS. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE LAST TWO QUARTERS YOU SAW. AND THESE FINANCIALS ARE ALL PRELIMINARY AND UNAUDITED. IN THE GENERAL FUND WE HAVE 120.5 MILLION BUDGETED FOR REVENUE. OF THAT, 27% IS SALES TAX 19%. PROPERTY TAX, 18% IS CHARGES FOR SERVICES. AND WE HAVE 17% IN TRANSFER IN WHICH INCLUDES THINGS LIKE PILOT AND FRANCHISE FEES. THE BUDGET TO ACTUALS. FOR THE THIRD QUARTER, WE WERE AT 72.6% OF OUR REVENUES. THIS IS UP ABOUT 6.4% COMPARED TO THE SAME PERIOD IN FY 2025. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR PROJECTIONS, WE'RE AT ABOUT 71.7%. THERE WAS A COUPLE OF MINOR ADJUSTMENTS, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES FROM OUR BUDGETS TO OUR PROJECTIONS. THE SALES TAX, WHICH IS 27% OF THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES, IS UP 2.3% COMPARED TO FY 2025. WE ARE AT ABOUT 19 MILLION THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER, AND WE CONTINUE TO KEEP EYE ON THIS EVERY MONTH. OUR PROPERTY TAX, WE ONLY HAVE Q ONE AND Q2Q2 REFLECTED BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE IN Q3 IS SO SMALL IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW UP ON THE CHART. BUT WE'RE AT 21 MILLION. AND THIS IS UP ABOUT 2% COMPARED TO FY 2025. OUR FRANCHISE FEES ARE 8.7% OF OUR BUDGETED GENERAL FUND REVENUE. WE'RE AT 7.6 MILLION, OR 72% OF THE FRANCHISE FEES THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER. THIS IS A PRETTY BIG INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR, BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST DUE TO THE TIMING. WE GOT OUR GAS FRANCHISE PAYMENT IN Q2, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT LARGE RED BAR THERE. AND LAST YEAR WE GOT IT IN Q4. FOR PILOT. THIS IS 16% OF THE BUDGETED GENERAL FUND REVENUE. WE'RE AT 13.3 MILLION THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER, OR 69% OF THAT BUDGETED REVENUE. AND OUR PILOT IS UP ABOUT 10.6% COMPARED TO FY 2025. PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE AT 5.2 MILLION. THIS IS ABOUT 7,070% OF OUR BUDGETED REVENUE FOR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS DOWN ABOUT 4.5% COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. FIRE AND EMS IS A 9 MILLION THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER. THIS IS 9.3 9.1 MILLION ALMOST THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER. AND WE'RE AT 73% OF OUR BUDGET. THIS IS UP ALMOST 10% COMPARED TO THE THIRD QUARTER OF LAST YEAR. PARKS AND RECREATION IS 3.6% OF OUR BUDGETED GENERAL FUND REVENUE. WE'RE AT 2.8 MILLION THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER, OR 66%, AND THIS IS UP JUST ABOUT 1.4% COMPARED TO FY 2025. MOVING ON TO OUR GENERAL FUND EXPENSES, WE HAVE 126.4 MILLION BUDGETED, 54% OF THAT IS PUBLIC SAFETY. SO WE HAVE 37.5 MILLION IN FIRE AND 29.9 MILLION IN POLICE. WE ALSO HAVE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AT 14% OR 18.3 MILLION. AND THEN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION TOTALS ABOUT 10%. THE YEAR TO DATE BUDGET VERSUS ACTUALS WERE AT 76.8% OF OUR BUDGETED REVENUES. THIS IS UP ALMOST 15% COMPARED TO, SORRY, NOT BUDGETED REVENUES AND EXPENSES. THIS IS UP ABOUT 15% COMPARED TO THE THIRD QUARTER OF FY 2025. AND COMPARING TO OUR PROJECTIONS, IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR. WE'RE AT 76.4%. SO A COUPLE OF NOTES ON THE EXPENSES. THE PERSONNEL IS 59% OF THE BUDGETED GENERAL FUND EXPENSES.

SO WE'RE AT 55.7 MILLION, OR ABOUT ALMOST EXACTLY 75% THROUGH THE QUARTER. AND THE PERSONNEL IS UP 10% COMPARED TO FY 2025. THIS WILL INCLUDE THINGS LIKE NEW POSITIONS,

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SO WE'RE AT 36.2 MILLION OR 78% THROUGH THE QUARTER. THESE ARE UP ABOUT 16.7% COMPARED TO FY 2025. YOU'LL EXPECT TO SEE INCREASES DUE TO ADDITIONAL BASE BUDGET AND ANY NEW FUNDED REQUESTS FOR 26 THAT WERE ONE TIME OR ONGOING. DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE GENERAL FUND BEFORE I MOVE TO ELECTRIC? SO ON THE WHEN I LOOK AT THE YEAR TO DATE FUND SCHEDULE, WE'RE.

WE LOOK AT THE EXCESS OR EXCESS OF TOTAL REVENUE OR TOTAL REQUIREMENTS. IT'S MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT WE'RE ABOUT 4 MILLION BUCKS MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING. I GUESS THAT HAS TO DO PRIMARILY WITH THE LAG IN THE SALES TAX COMING IN FROM A TWO MONTH DELAY, BASICALLY.

YEAH, YEAH. SO THE SALES TAX RIGHT NOW IS ONLY AT ABOUT LIKE 58% OF OUR BUDGET REVENUE. SO BECAUSE IT'S A TWO MONTH LAG IN OCTOBER, ACCOUNTING WILL ACCRUE BACK SOME OF THAT. SO I CHECKED IT COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. AND WE'RE ON PAR WHERE WE HAVE BEEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS PERCENTAGE WISE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE ELECTRIC FUND, THEIR BUDGETED REVENUES ARE 195.7 MILLION. THE ELECTRIC SALES REVENUE MAKES UP ABOUT 61% OF THAT BOND PROCEEDS ARE 23%, AND DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS ARE ABOUT 11% OF THE TOTAL BUDGETED REVENUES.

FOR OPERATING REVENUES, WE'RE AT 94.5% OF BUDGET. THAT'S PRIMARILY DUE TO A DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS COMING IN HIGHER THAN WE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED, AND WE'RE ABOUT 100% OF OUR NONOPERATING REVENUES. SO YOU CAN SEE IN OUR PROJECTIONS, WE ADJUSTED THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTION REVENUE AMOUNT SO THAT WE'RE MORE IN LINE WITH WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE. SO WE'RE AT ABOUT 79% OF TOTAL BUDGET OR TOTAL REVENUES TO PROJECTIONS. THE ELECTRIC RETAIL SALES IS ABOUT 79% OF THE ELECTRIC FUND OPERATING REVENUE. WE'RE AT 79.3 MILLION OR 66%. AND THOSE SALES ARE UP 10.1% COMPARED TO FY 2025. FOR THE ELECTRIC FUND EXPENSES, WE HAVE 214.2 MILLION BUDGETED, 37% OF THAT IS PURCHASE POWER RELATED EXPENSES, 34% OF THAT IS ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING, WHICH IS CIP EXPENSES. AND WE HAVE 11% IN NON-DEPARTMENTAL, WHICH INCLUDES THINGS LIKE PILOT DEBT SERVICE AND TRANSFERS. OUR YEAR TO DATE BUDGET VERSUS ACTUALS FOR OPERATING EXPENSES IS 72%. THAT'S UP ABOUT 5% COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. AND NON OPERATING EXPENSES IS GOING TO BE 35%. SO THIS IS AGAIN WHERE A LOT OF OUR CIP IS GOING TO FALL. WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO OUR PROJECTIONS, WE DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT UPDATES TO THE ELECTRIC FUND EXPENSE PROJECTIONS. SO FOR THE YEAR WE'RE AT 53% OF PROJECTIONS TO ACTUALS. AND THAT ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE HAD IN BUDGET AS WELL. THE NET PURCHASE POWER IS 51% OF THE ELECTRIC FUND OPERATING EXPENSE. SO WE'RE AT 53.4 MILLION, OR ABOUT 66%. PURCHASE POWER IS UP SEVEN AND A QUARTER COMPARED TO THE SAME PERIOD IN FY 2025. AND THEN HERE ARE SOME NUMBERS. COMPARING THE NET PURCHASE POWER FROM THIRD QUARTER 25 TO THE THIRD QUARTER OF 26 CURRENTLY. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE AT 66% ALMOST IN THE SAME PERIOD. IN 25, WE WERE AT ABOUT 59% OF OUR BUDGET. A COUPLE OF NOTES. YOU'VE SEEN SEVERAL OF THESE IN THE LAST QUARTER REPORTS AS WELL, BUT WE HAD A SLOWER THAN ANTICIPATED RAMP UP OF THE VERY LARGE LOAD CUSTOMERS. SO AT OUR MID-YEAR AMENDMENT, WE ALIGNED AT OUR WE WE ADJUSTED MID-YEAR TO ALIGN BETTER WITH WHAT WE WERE SEEING. THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHARGES DECREASE COMPARED TO PRIOR YEAR DUE TO A REORGANIZATION OF WATER AND ELECTRIC OPERATING TECHNOLOGY AND CONTROL CENTERS.

DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTION REVENUE IS HIGHER, WHICH WE ADJUSTED IN OUR PROJECTIONS. WE HAD SEVERAL PAYMENTS FROM ZTE SYSTEMS. FLEXTRONICS IS MENTIONED ON HERE, BUT THE FLEXTRONICS PAYMENTS ACTUALLY WON'T BE REFLECTED UNTIL THE FOURTH QUARTER. THERE WAS A 2% RATE INCREASE AND A HIGHER THAN REVENUE MEGAWATT HOURS DUE TO RATE RAMPING. AND THEN IN THE END, SERVICES AND ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING, WE WILL HAVE PERSONNEL EXPENSES THAT WILL LOOK INFLATED BECAUSE WE CAPITALIZED LABOR FOR CIP. AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE MEET ALL OF THE RESERVE REQUIREMENTS FOR FY 2026. ANY QUESTIONS ON ELECTRIC BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO WATER? ALL RIGHT. IN THE WATER FUND, OUR BUDGETED REVENUE FOR FY 2026 IS 732.7 MILLION. 61.5%

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THAT WATER IS IN THE RED. THIS IS UP ALMOST 11% COMPARED TO THE Q3 OF 2025. WASTEWATER CHARGES ARE 29.6 MILLION. THAT'S THE BLUE. THOSE ARE UP ALMOST 17% COMPARED TO 2025.

AND THE IRRIGATION CHARGES ARE AT 633,000. AND THIS IS A DECREASE OF ABOUT 18% COMPARED TO Q3 OF 2025. IMPACT FEE REVENUES. JUST A COUPLE OF NOTES ON THAT. OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES ARE PAYMENTS FROM DEVELOPERS TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. THE FEE REVENUE IS USED FOR BOTH CASH AND DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS ON ELIGIBLE CAPITAL PROJECTS. THE WASTEWATER AND WATER IMPACT FEE REVENUE COLLECTION IS LOWER IN 26 COMPARED TO 25, LARGELY DUE TO THE TIMING OF PROJECTS, AND THEY ARE CONSERVATIVELY MODELED IN THE COST OF SERVICE IN FIVE YEAR FORECASTS, STAFF KEEP THE IMPACT FEES SEPARATE UNTIL THEY ARE RECONCILED AT YEAR END AND ARE READY TO BE USED ON ACTIVE CAPITAL PROJECTS THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THEY ARE THEN TRANSFERRED WITHIN THE WATER FUND MID-YEAR, AND THEY ARE SHOWN AS A TRANSFER IN REVENUES AND A CORRESPONDING TRANSFER OUT AND EXPENSES IN WATER DISTRIBUTION AND WASTEWATER OPERATIONS. COST CENTER. FOR THE FY 2026. EXPENSES FOR THE WATER FUND, WE HAVE 1.02 BILLION BUDGETED. KEEP IN MIND THIS INCLUDES OUR ROLL FORWARD, OUR CIP ROLL FORWARD, 76.7% OF THAT IS CIP EXPENSES. WATER DISTRIBUTION IS ABOUT 6%, WATER OPERATIONS IS 4.5% AND WASTEWATER IS ALMOST 3%. THESE ARE OUR EXPENSES. I BROKE THE OPERATING AND NON-OPERATING INTO TWO DIFFERENT SLIDES BECAUSE IT GOT REALLY SMALL. WE'RE AT 69% OR ALMOST 70% OF OPERATING EXPENSES COMPARED TO BUDGET, AND THAT'S ABOUT ON PAR WITH WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR. FOR NON-OPERATING EXPENSES. WE'RE AT 26% COMPARED TO BUDGET. THIS IS A SLIGHT DECREASE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS IS WHERE THE CIP PROJECTS ARE GOING TO LIVE. AND WHEN YOU FACTOR IN OUR PROJECTIONS, WE'RE AT 74.5% OF OUR PROJECTIONS TO ACTUALS FOR OPERATING AND 26% FOR NON-OPERATING. SOME WATER REVENUE NOTES THE OPERATING REVENUES TREND SLIGHTLY UNDER BUDGET. HOWEVER, THERE'S A LOT OF WATER OBVIOUSLY USED IN THE SUMMER MONTHS, AND THE LAST THREE MONTHS IN THE YEAR ARE GENERALLY VERY HOT, AS WE ALL ARE OBSERVING RIGHT NOW. OUR WATER CHARGES ARE UP 11% DUE TO INCREASED CONSUMPTION AND RATE INCREASES. THE FEE REVENUE INCREASED 11.7% COMPARED FROM Q3 OF FY 2025. IMPACT FEES ARE WITHIN THE CONSERVATIVE MODELING AND THE PENALTIES REVENUES UP ALMOST 30% BECAUSE WE MOVED THE WRONG DAY. WATERING IRRIGATION FINES FROM WATER CHARGES TO PENALTY REVENUE CATEGORY. I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT SECOND BULLET POINT. YES. DO YOU KNOW AND THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A FINANCIAL QUESTION, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE INCREASE IN WATER CONSUMPTION IS VOLUMETRIC? YEAH, I DO NOT KNOW THAT. BUT WE CAN FIND THAT OUT AND GET BACK TO YOU. I'M JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S ALL FOR. OH NO. ONE MORE. SORRY. OUR WATER OPERATING EXPENSES IN THE WATER SERVICES ADMINISTRATION, THEY ARE 4.8% LESS. WATER DISTRIBUTION IS 30.5% GREATER THAN FY 25. AND THIS IS DUE TO AN INCREASE IN MAINTENANCE RELATED EXPENSES, AS WELL AS THE TIMING OF SOME OF THE NEW VEHICLES THAT WERE PURCHASED FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT. THE EXPENSES IN WASTEWATER OPERATION ARE ABOUT 14% GREATER THAN FY 2025. AGAIN, MAINTENANCE RELATED EXPENSES, AS WELL AS A SMALL INCREASE IN UTILITIES ALLOCATIONS, EXPENSES AND METERING SERVICES, ARE ABOUT 4% LESS THAN 2025 DUE TO THE TIMING OF WATER METER EXPENSES. AND THEN OUR OPERATIONAL TECHNOLOGIES ARE ABOUT 43% GREATER THAN FY 2025

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YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO PULL IT OR MENTION IT WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EXPENSES, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GREATER RIGHT NOW THAN THE REVENUES, BUT THAT'S FROM THE CIP ROLL FORWARD FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. YEAH, THERE'S USUALLY A PRETTY LARGE AMOUNT OF CIP ROLL FORWARD AND WATER. WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT WOULD BE FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT TO MAKE THE CHANGE, BUT WE SHOW THE IMPACT FEES AS AN INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM REVENUE SOURCE. BUT THEN WHENEVER IT'S SPENT, IT'S BUNDLED IN TO THAT.

THE WATER, WHAT WAS IT YOU SAID? THE WATER PLANT MANAGEMENT, THE WATER. WELL, IT'S BUNDLED INTO ANOTHER LINE ITEM. INSTEAD OF BEING CALLED OUT AS ITS OWN CASH FLOW OUT, IF YOU WILL. IF THERE WAS A WAY TO BREAK THAT OUT. I THINK WITH THE GROWTH WE'RE HAVING, FOLKS WANT US TO, TO HAVE GROWTH, PAY FOR AS MUCH AS IT CAN. AND SO BEING ABLE TO ISOLATE THAT NUMBER, AT LEAST FOR FOR COUNCIL, IF NOTHING ELSE. SO WE CAN AT LEAST SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE SPENT THAT THAT YEAR, THAT GIVEN YEAR. SO WE CAN ARTICULATE THAT TO PEOPLE WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THEM AS WELL. JUST HAVING THAT CALLED OUT MORE SO AND HIGHLIGHTING THAT WOULD BE WOULD BE HELPFUL FROM MY SIDE AT LEAST. I HAVE A QUESTION ON ANOTHER FUND, IF I MAY. SURE.

ON THE AIRPORT FUND. OKAY. I THINK THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE WAS YOUR FIRST MEETING. I THINK I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE AIRPORT FUND. I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT YOUR AIRPORT QUESTION. GO FOR IT, THOUGH. GO FOR IT. WHERE'S NATHAN AT? HE'S NOT HERE TODAY. I WORE MY JACKET. THIS JACKET JUST FOR HIM TO I. I TRIED TO RUB IN THE WEEKEND'S FOOTBALL OUTCOMES.

HE'S HIDING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I GET IT, THAT MAKES SENSE, I UNDERSTAND. WELL, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BURNT ORANGE PROFESSIONAL ATTIRE, SO. I THINK IT'S VERY PROFESSIONAL.

LOOKING AT THE AIRPORT FUND IT AS WELL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE YEAR TO DATE AND THE PROJECTIONS, IT'S SHOWING THAT THE REVENUES ARE NOT GOING TO COVER ALL THE EXPENSES. I KNOW THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN IN PREVIOUS PREVIOUS TIMES. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A FUND BALANCE TO COVER THAT UP. CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO THAT FROM A FUND BALANCE STANDPOINT. EVENTUALLY YOU HIT A WALL. SO AND I KNOW TONIGHT WE HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO LOOK AT THE RATES AND FEES OUT THERE, WHICH I ASSUME WILL HELP THE REVENUE SIDE. BUT THERE ARE FOLKS OUT THERE THAT BELIEVE THAT WE ARE SUBSIDIZING THE AIRPORT WITH TAX DOLLARS. WE'RE NOT OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT THIS, BUT IF THAT TREND CONTINUES, THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT STORY. SO WHAT IS THE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE THE AIRPORT WITH TAX DOLLARS.

AND I'M SURE DAVID WOULD BE GLAD TO HELP YOU OUT WITH THIS QUESTION. I WILL JUST NOTE, THERE IS SOME SMALL PORTION OF THE EXPENSES THAT ARE ROLLED FORWARD IN AIRPORT. I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE SUPER SIGNIFICANT, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY FIND OUT WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. SO I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S A PORTION OF THAT. HERE COMES. BUT AS FOR THE FUTURE PLANS. MAYOR, COUNCIL, JACK DALEY, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. HE HAS SOME OF THE COSTS GOING BACKWARDS. TO YOUR QUESTION, SOME OF THE COSTS WHERE YOU SEE TRANSFERS FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE AIRPORT, THE FIRE STATION FOUR IS ACTUALLY ON AIRPORT PROPERTY, SO IT PAYS A LEASE LIKE ANYBODY WHO'S ON AIRPORT PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO PAY. SO THAT'S PART OF THAT.

THERE'S SOME ALLOCATIONS TO, I THINK, THAT ARE ROLLED UP IN THAT. I CAN GET YOU THE SPECIFICS AFTER THIS. IN TERMS OF THE AIRPORT, THE AIRPORT IS OVERALL SELF-SUSTAINING. THE REVENUES ARE FROM GROUND LEASES AND FACILITY LEASES AS WELL AS FUEL SALES. AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH PLANS TO LOOK AT SOME COMBINATION OF EITHER OUTSOURCING FUEL OR WORKING TO INCREASE OUR FUEL SALES, AS WELL AS WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO FACILITATE FURTHER GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF AIRPORT HANGAR SPACE IN AND AROUND THE AIRPORT TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE REVENUES FOR THE AIRPORT FUND, WE'LL PROBABLY BE COMING BACK AT A FUTURE DATE TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON ON THE ON THE AIRPORT AND ITS OPERATIONS AND, AND FUTURE PLANS THAT ARE GOING ON OUT THERE. YEAH, I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST ADD, THERE'S BEEN, WE'VE KIND OF HAD A BUILD UP OF THE LAST NOT THE LAST TWO YEARS, BUT YEARS BEFORE THAT OF FUND BALANCE IN THE, IN THE

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AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT TO THE AIRPORT, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW BUILDING SOME NEW HANGAR SPACE. PERFECT. THANK YOU JACK. HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANDY? THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP,

[1.B rideGTX Update]

AND THEN TO RAISE THE VOUCHER COST FROM $4 TO $5. THE SECOND ITEM ON HERE IS TO LOOK AT IMPLEMENTING A TIERED STRUCTURE, MEANING POSSIBLE TIER FOR THAT MIDNIGHT, AND ALSO LOOK AT MAYBE A WEEKEND TIER. AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM WE WERE SEEKING FEEDBACK IS, IS AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS ITEM AND I'LL GO OVER THIS TRIP HAS RECOMMENDED JUST LIMITING THE WAVE TRIPS TO 25 PER MONTH. SO COUNCIL DIRECTION WAS, WAS NOT TO CHANGE THE SERVICE AREA TO REMOVE THE HOURS FROM 6 A.M. OR SORRY, MIDNIGHT TO 6 A.M. THEN RAISE THE COST FROM $4 TO $5.

AND THEN TO LOOK AT THOSE AFTER HOURS AND WEEKEND TIERS. SO WE ARE PLANNING TO ELIMINATE ABOUT FOUR LITTLE OVER 4% OF THE TRIPS. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, NONE OF THE WAVE TRIPS HAPPENED DURING THIS TIME. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A COST SAVINGS OF ABOUT 17,000. THEN. THEN WITH THE INCREASED COSTS, IT'LL SAVE ABOUT ANOTHER 62,000. AND THEN THE AFTER HOURS FEE THAT WE'RE HAVING. WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A $24,000 SAVINGS. WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH POTENTIAL COST INCREASES THAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH, TRIP FOR THE WAVE, FOR THE LOAD FEE, AND FOR THE AVAILABILITY AND SCALABILITY OF THE SERVICES OF THE WASTE SERVICES. SO AGAIN, TIER A REALLY IS THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL GAVE US IS TO ELIMINATE ERS TO HAVE THE WORKING HOURS FROM 6 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE THE CURRENT VOUCHER PROGRAM. THE SECOND TIER WOULD BE KIND OF THAT THAT TO COVER THAT, THAT MIDNIGHT TO 6 A.M. AND THEN THE LAST ONE WOULD BE FOR WEEKENDS. SO AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS WITH TRIP, ALL THE OPTIONS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE WAVE REQUIRED TO FILL THE SAME TIMELINE AS ALL THESE VOUCHERS. SO THAT PRETTY MUCH WOULD ELIMINATE THAT $24,000 COST SAVINGS FOR, FOR TO HAVE THE WAVE AFTER HOURS, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE AVAILABLE DURING ALL THESE TIERS. SO WE WOULD ELIMINATE THAT COST SAVINGS. THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE TIERS CANNOT COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER.

MEANING IF WE HAVE TEN VOUCHERS PER TIER, POTENTIALLY WE COULD BE LOOKING AT 30 VOUCHERS PER PERSON. THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE. NOT NOT SURE WHAT THAT COST WOULD LOOK LIKE KIND OF MOVING FORWARD, BUT BUT THERE WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH SEPARATE TIERS FOR EACH AND EVERY OR SEPARATE VOUCHER PROGRAM FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE TIERS. AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO KEEP THE PUBLIC INVOLVED AND COMMUNICATE WITH THEM. JUST THE COMPLEXITIES OF COMMUNICATING ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPE OF VOUCHERS WITH COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO ON THE, ON THE WAVE LIMIT OF 25 TRIPS PER MONTH, WAVE HAS OR SORRY TRIP HAS BEEN WORKING WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE THIS SIMILAR PROGRAM. AND THIS IS REALLY JUST TO KIND OF SET US UP IN THE FUTURE AS

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OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAD A QUESTION FOR THE THE AMENDMENT. HOW WILL IT LINE UP WITH OUR FISCAL YEAR. SO IF WE HAD TO DO A CONTRACT AMENDMENT, OBVIOUSLY TONIGHT'S OUR LAST MEETING BEFORE THE FISCAL YEAR ENDS AND THE NEW ONE BEGINS. SO I'M GUESSING IT WON'T BE READY TO LINE UP FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. NO, SIR. AND I GUESS, DO WE KNOW FROM THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT STANDPOINT, IT'LL JUST DEPEND ON HOW LONG IT TAKES TO NEGOTIATE THAT AND GET REVIEWED AND ACCEPTED ON AGENDA. YEAH. SO AFTER WE GET THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL, THEN WE CAN THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT CONTRACT. AND WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH TRIP THE WHOLE TIME ON, ON KIND OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN WE JUST GOT TO NEGOTIATE THOSE LAST COUPLE THINGS. AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL BE READY TO BRING THAT BACK FOR LEGAL AND PURCHASING REVIEW AND THEN COUNCIL. OKAY. AND THE, THE SAVINGS YOU ILLUSTRATED HERE, IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE AMOUNT TO, BASED ON OUR, OUR PROJECTIONS AND NUMBERS? IS THAT ENOUGH TO FUND THE PROGRAM FOR THE FISCAL YEAR THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SHUT IT OFF EARLY OR MAKE AN AMENDMENT AND REFUND MORE? IS THAT ENOUGH OF A SAVINGS WITH THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING? SO WHEN WHEN I WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE BUDGET BACK IN APRIL, I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT A BUDGET OF ABOUT 571,000 AT THE THE AUGUST COUNCIL WITH WITH ZERO CHANGES TO THE PROGRAM, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $850,000 TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAM. SO IF WE SUBTRACT THAT OUT, I MEAN, WE'RE STILL ABOUT $750,000 FOR NEXT YEAR TO RUN THIS. AND THAT'S ASSUMING GROWTH MONTH OVER MONTH AT THE RATE THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. SO THAT'S ASSUMING THAT WE MAINTAIN THE GROWTH RATE IS CONSTANT. SO OUR PLAN WAS TO TRACK THIS THROUGH THE KIND OF FIRST QUARTER OF THE BUDGET. LOOK AT WHAT THE TRENDS ARE AND DEVELOP A BUDGET AMENDMENT AS WE NEED TO THROUGH THE YEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL GIVE SOME FEEDBACK IN A SECOND. EVERYBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE SERVICE AREA. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

IT'S ONLY IN CITY TO IN CITY, CORRECT? NO. ETJ. CORRECT. BUT BUT WE DID ADD THE TWO, THE ROUND ROCK FACILITIES, THE HOSPITAL FACILITIES. THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. SO AGAIN, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS GET MY HEAD AROUND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND IT IT RELATES TO ALL THIS, BUT WE'RE SPENDING $60 A RIDER TO SAVE A RIDER $10. IS THAT RIGHT? SO THAT $60 THAT YOU'RE SEEING, THAT'S THE WAVE, THE COST TO PROVIDE A WAVE TRIP.

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER TRIPS? SO THE OVERALL COST OF OF A TRIP, THE AVERAGE COST OF ALL THE TRIPS IS ABOUT $17 PER TRIP. OKAY. SO WE'RE SAVING PEOPLE $10 AND WE'RE CHARGING 17. SO THAT'S NOT TOO BAD. BUT WHAT IS THE OVERALL GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR THIS? ARE WE TRYING TO GET CARS OFF THE ROAD? IF SO, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK WITH. SINGLE VEHICLES. UNLIKE BUSSES IN BIG CITIES THAT HAVE 20 RIDERS ON THEM, WE'VE GOT ONE VEHICLE. PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION EQUALS ONE VEHICLE OF NON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE IT. IS IT TO REDUCE POLLUTION. WELL, IF WE'VE GOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF CARS UNLESS WE'RE USING VERY ENERGY EFFICIENT CARS, IT'S NOT POLLUTION. DEFINITELY NOT TO SAVE COSTS. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS OUR OBJECTIVE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS TO IF IT'S IF IT'S

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WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR TRANSIT, WE TALKED ABOUT FILTERING RIDES, WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? SO THIS, THIS, THIS PROVIDES THOSE TRIPS TO, I MEAN, IT PROVIDES TRIPS FOR EVERYBODY. BUT REALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR, FOR A LOT OF THOSE THAT, THAT DON'T HAVE CARS OR CAN'T NECESSARILY AFFORD TRIPS, RIGHT. BUT IT'S ALSO TO PROVIDE TRIPS JUST TO DOWNTOWN TO, TO THOSE OTHER AREAS AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SERVICE AFTER HOURS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU LEAVE DOWNTOWN. THAT'S WHY WE WERE KIND OF DISCUSSING THE, THE MIDNIGHT BECAUSE DOWNTOWN SHUTS DOWN BEFORE THAT, STILL PROVIDING TRIPS HOME FROM THE SQUARE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. YEAH. AND I'LL JUMP IN THERE A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR COUNCIL. BUT BEN WASN'T HERE WHEN WE DID THIS. BUT WHEN WHEN THIS WAS ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SPENDING WELL OVER $100 A TRIP ON THE ON THE BUS TRIPS. AND SO THE MAIN THING WAS GETTING AWAY, GETTING OUT OF THE BUS STRUCTURE. AND SO THIS, THIS WAS PRESENTED TO US. AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK OUR COUNCIL'S OBJECTIVE AT THAT TIME WAS TO PROVIDE PEOPLE TRANSPORTATION WITHIN THE CITY AT A REDUCED COST. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK PRIMARILY IT WAS AIMED AT FOLKS THAT NEEDED THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THAT THAT WAS THE GOAL THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. YOU KNOW, AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF MEANS TESTING ON THE FRONT END. AND THERE WERE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY THE DECISION WAS, LET'S ROLL IT OUT AND SEE HOW IT'S UTILIZED. AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WE WANT FOLKS USING IT. WE HAVE THE SERVICE, WE WANT FOLKS USING IT. BUT THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA WAS TO MOVE PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY ACCOMPLISHING THE SAME GOALS THAT THE BUS SYSTEM WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN A MUCH, MUCH CHEAPER MANNER. NOW, THE HAVING THE, YOU KNOW, THE WAVE SIDE OF IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT KIND OF DISCUSSION AND RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT SERVICE. IT IS WAY, WAY MORE EXPENSIVE WHETHER WE'RE PROVIDING IT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS MEANS OR THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THE BUS ROUTE AS WELL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A FACTOR IN THIS IS THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN OUTSIZED COST THAT WE REALIZE IS GOING TO BE A, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOSS. THERE'S NOT A WAY FOR THAT TO FULLY COVER ITS OWN COST. AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION. BUT SO, I MEAN, COUNCIL CAN JUMP IN TO THE FOLKS. I'LL JUMP IN BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I'VE SPOKEN TO AT LEAST A COUPLE OF MY CONSTITUENTS WHO CAN'T OR DON'T DRIVE FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND APART FROM A BUS SYSTEM, THEY DON'T HAVE A WAY OF GETTING AROUND TOWN WITHOUT RELYING ON A FRIEND OR RELATIVE TO DRIVE THEM AROUND. AND SO, YES, THIS IS A THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE AT A REDUCED RATE. IT JUST IT IS, AND I DON'T KNOW A WAY AROUND IT. I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT. THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER CONVERSATION. IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD, AND IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE ON A REGULAR, ONGOING BASIS. THIS SEEMED LIKE A MORE ECONOMICAL WAY TO TACKLE THAT PROBLEM THAN, YOU KNOW, THE FIXED ROUTE BUS SYSTEM THAT WE USED TO HAVE. SO THAT'S THE THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S THE REASON THAT COUNCIL TOOK THIS APPROACH WHEN WE DID. WELL, I KNOW WE LOOKED AT THE MICRO TRANSIT PROGRAM ALSO, AND I THINK WE ALL I THINK WE ALL LIKED THAT PROGRAM AS A CONCEPT, BUT THE COST OF IT, IT ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE REDUCED OUR SERVICE AREA SIZE AND COST MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND HAD LIMITED LESS HOURS THAN WHAT EVEN GO GO PARATRANSIT HAD. AND SO THIS WAS THE MOST ECONOMICAL APPROACH TO HAVE OFFER THE CITIZEN SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT SERVICE. YEAH. I MEAN, I CONCUR, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR AN AVENUE THAT WOULD NOT BE THE BUS THAT I SAW OUTSIDE OF MY OFFICE WINDOW EVERY MORNING, CIRCLING AROUND SOUTHWESTERN WITH NOBODY ON IT BECAUSE IT IT STOPPED RIGHT BY MY OFFICE.

THERE WAS ONE PERSON ON IT, AMANDA, THAT THERE WAS THAT ONE PERSON. YEAH, THAT ONE PERSON ON OCCASION. BUT I THINK THAT THAT THIS DID, YOU KNOW, FIT THOSE NEEDS. BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A POPULATION THAT TENDS TO SKEW A LITTLE OLDER IN SOME AREAS.

AND I THINK THAT THIS ALSO CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT AS PEOPLE CONTINUE TO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, AGE IN PLACE OR MOVE INTO, YOU KNOW, PLACES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT TAKE A CAR OR CAN'T DRIVE A CAR ANYMORE. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A CITY THAT THAT DOES HAVE A SEASONED POPULATION, IF YOU WILL. THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO CALL OUR OLDER ALUMNI AT SOUTHWESTERN SEASONED ALUMNI. SO I THINK THAT IT ALSO FITS THAT NEED. I WOULD ALSO SAY ON THE FLIP SIDE, FROM THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WANT PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE SOUTHWESTERN STUDENTS TAKING THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE, WE HAVE

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BUT THE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE. SO ONE, WITH THE WAVE SERVICE, IF YOU HAD SOMEONE WHO HAD A EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE, PROBABLY MEDICAL. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT A PATIENT THAT HAS TO GO TO THE DOCTOR ON EVERY OTHER DAY TYPE BASIS. IS THERE A WAY AND I KNOW SOME OF OUR PEER CITIES, I THINK, ARE USING THIS, WHERE THERE CAN BE SOME EXCEPTIONS MADE. IF SOMEONE WAS TO NEED MORE THAN THE 25 RIDES A MONTH DUE TO A REAL NEED, IS THAT AN OPTION IN THIS PROGRAM? YEAH, IT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER TIER. IT WOULD JUST BE HOW THAT TIER IS SET UP AND WHAT THAT QUALIFICATION LOOKS LIKE. SO THERE'S NOT A WAY FOR A PERSON TO CALL IN TO WAVE AND EXPRESS. SO IT'S $25 AND THAT'S IT. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING NOW THAT WE COULD THEY COULD MAKE AN EXCEPTION OR SO. SO RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S UNLIMITED. SO IF THEY NEED THAT RIDE EVERY DAY. BUT IF WE MAKE THIS CHANGE, MAKE THIS CHANGE. YEAH, WE COULD LOOK AT DEVELOPING THAT AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

OKAY. WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS A FEW PEER CITIES, I THINK PFLUGERVILLE MAY BE DOING THAT FOR MEDICAL EXCEPTIONS. IF WE COULD CHECK INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'D BE SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING AT. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS AROUND HOW ARE WE COMMUNICATING? BECAUSE THIS CONTRACT ISN'T GOING TO BE DONE BY OCTOBER 1ST WHEN WE SWITCH EVERYBODY OVER TO GO, GO FROM GO, GO TO THIS SERVICE. I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN ACTIVELY COMMUNICATED TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THAT AND THE FACILITIES AND ALL THOSE THINGS. HOW ARE WE GOING TO COMMUNICATE THE CHANGE, AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO COMMUNICATE THE CHANGE FROM THE $4 TO THE $5 IF IF THIS IS IMPLEMENTED? BECAUSE I THINK, AGAIN, THEY'RE ALREADY MOVING FROM $2 TO FOUR. AND THEN NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO FIVE POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE. WHAT'S THE ROLLOUT PLAN FOR THAT AND COMMUNICATE? I JUST THINK IT'S I IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE A WAY TO TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IF WE MAKE THIS CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE TIMING, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO RESIDENTS. YEAH. SO THE 2 TO 4 IS WITH THE GO GO GOING AWAY, RIGHT? THAT'S A $2. THE VOUCHER HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FOUR. SO YEAH, AS PEOPLE MOVE FROM THE GO, GO TO THE WAVE OR TO THE VOUCHER PROGRAM. YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THAT FOUR. WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE COMMUNICATED A LOT THROUGH THROUGH OUR CAPE AND THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SUCCESSFUL AS THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'VE USED TO COMMUNICATE THIS PROGRAM. AND SO THEY'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB IN COMMUNICATING THAT OUT. WE WOULD WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM, KEEPING THEM IN CLOSE COMMUNICATIONS OF WHEN THIS CONTRACT WOULD WOULD WANT TO GO FORWARD. WE'D WORK WITH WITH CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO ON, ON WHAT THAT DATE WOULD LOOK LIKE. I, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT IS, WHETHER IT'S THE FIRST OF THE YEAR OR THAT TYPE OF THING, WHEN WE KICK THAT OFF. OKAY. YEAH, I JUST, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT NOW WE'RE MAKING NUMEROUS CHANGES THAT I THINK ARE GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. AND THEN LASTLY, I KNOW WE HAVE THE STOPS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS AT THE HOSPITAL, AS YOU MENTIONED, FOR COUNCILMAN NOBLE, IF YOU WERE TO ADD ANOTHER STOP THAT SIMILAR TO THAT, THERE WAS ANOTHER LOCATION THAT WE FELT LIKE WAS IMPORTANT TO GET PEOPLE TO THERE. NO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD BE YET, BUT JUST ASKING, IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL COST FOR THAT? NO. WE COULD GEOFENCE, YOU KNOW, THE VA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF YOU ADDED THE ER, I MEAN THE AIRPORTS FARTHER. BUT IF YOU ADDED THOSE TYPE SERVICES LIKE THAT. YEAH, IT WOULD JUST BE ADDING THAT GEOFENCED AREA TO OUR MAPS. AND THEN WHEN THEY CALLED IT IN IT WOULD JUST FALL WITHIN THAT VOUCHER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE A GOOD MAN. YEAH. SO TO ME, WHAT WE OUR OBJECTIVE PROBABLY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SUPPLYING TRANSPORTATION TO THOSE THAT HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS AND NOT PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO GET AROUND TOWN.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PROGRAM, IF THE PART OF GETTING AROUND TOWN, IF WE CAN DO THAT AT A REASONABLE PRICE, IS A GOOD IDEA, IN MY OPINION. WE HAVE FAITH IN ACTION, WHICH IS A NONPROFIT THAT PROVIDES RIDES FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. COULD OUR DOLLARS BE USED BETTER IF WE WOULD SUPPORT A A? NOT SAYING JUST THAT ONE, BUT SUPPORT SOME SORT OF A NONPROFIT AND ALLOW THEM TO PROVIDE THE RIDES. WHAT WOULD BE THE DOWNSIDE OF PROVIDING ALLOWING NONPROFITS TO DO THIS AND HELPING THEM DEFRAY THE COST INSTEAD OF US DOING IT FOR THOSE THAT REALLY NEED IT? BECAUSE NONPROFITS ARE PRETTY GOOD AT VETTING PEOPLE FOR THOSE THAT REALLY NEED IT,

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ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD BE AN THAT WOULD BE AN ON DEMAND VAN SERVICE. AND FOR THEM TO PROVIDE ANY LEVEL OF ACTUAL SUPPORT, IT WOULD, WE'D BE RIGHT BACK INTO CAPMETRO.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. I ALSO REMEMBER, I DON'T THINK I MEAN, THOSE ARE VOLUNTEER DRIVERS AND I DON'T THINK THEY ALL HAVE ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES. SO YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONE WHO NEEDED, YOU KNOW, A WHEELCHAIR OR EVEN WALKERS OR PUSH WHEELCHAIR. I THINK THAT'S A BURDEN THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO. LOU, I WOULD JUST ASK THE QUESTION IN CONTEXT OF EVEN FAITH IN ACTION AND NOT KNOWING THE ANSWER. THE AFTER MIDNIGHT SERVICES AND EVEN AFTER 5:00 SERVICES COULD BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR A NONPROFIT THAN THEY ARE WITH THIS PROGRAM. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S NOT PEOPLE LOOKING TO BE DOING THAT ALL NIGHT. OKAY, SO FEEDBACK WISE, HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN HERE YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT LEWIS RECOMMENDING. SPEAK UP NOW. IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME. ONE IS YES.

TWO IS YES AND THREE IS YES. SO A QUESTION OR CLARIFICATION. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW CAN THE TRIP PROGRAM CANNOT SUPPORT. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO DO A TIERED SYSTEM. IS THAT ACCURATE FOR FOR THE CORRECT. THE TIERS CANNOT TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. THE WAY THAT UBER IS SET UP, THOSE VOUCHERS WOULD RUN SEPARATE AS OPPOSED TO TOGETHER. RIGHT. SO I THINK JUST IN OUR WORDING HERE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU KNOW, HOLDING OFF ON IMPLEMENTING A TIERED RATE STRUCTURE DOESN'T APPEAR TO ME THAT WE'RE HOLDING OFF. IT APPEARS THERE'S NOT A MECHANISM TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. IS THAT A FAIR WAY TO STATE THAT? HOLDING OFF TO ME IMPLIES THAT WE COULD DO IT TODAY, BUT IT'S BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE PROGRAM IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. WE CAN WE CAN DO IT. WE CAN DO IT. YOU JUST HAVE YOU HAVE TO YOU'D HAVE TO SET UP SEPARATE AMOUNTS OF VOUCHERS FOR EACH ONE. AND THEY. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.

AND THEY DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE JUST SAYING WE WOULD HOLD OFF ON THE TIERED RATE STRUCTURE THAT Y'ALL THE, THE CITY COUNCIL WAS EXPRESSING INTEREST IN BECAUSE IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY AVAILABLE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY FOR ME, ONE, YES, I HESITATE, I DON'T, I WILL BE HONEST, I DON'T LOVE THE RAISE FROM 4 TO 5. I'VE HEARD FROM NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT, THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE A BARRIER TO THEM. AND THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED THIS SERVICE. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET AND I UNDERSTAND THOSE CONSTRAINTS. AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO PROVIDE A SERVICE. SO I'M FINE WITH THE $5 AND THE ONE ON TWO. I THINK THAT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS THAT ABSOLUTELY, WE CLEARLY HAVE TO HOLD OFF ON IT FOR NOW TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROGRAM. BUT I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT MUNICIPALITIES ARE BECOMING A BIGGER VOICE IN THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND THESE TYPE OF SERVICES, WHETHER IT BE UBER OR WHETHER IT BE LYFT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE TRIP FITS INTO ALL THIS. YOU KNOW, THEY SEEM TO BE THE MIDDLEMAN BETWEEN THIS. AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE INNOVATIVE WAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THESE THINGS NEED TO BE MOVING FORWARD. AND I HOPE THAT WE ARE PUSHING THESE SERVICES TO LOOK INNOVATIVELY AT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE A TIERED OR VOUCHER SYSTEM. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME THAT THOSE WHO NEED IT SHOULD PAY LESS, AND IT SHOULD BE IN THE HOURS THAT ARE GETTING, NEEDING THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED. AND PEOPLE WHO THIS IS A WANT BECAUSE I THINK IT CAN BE A GREAT SERVICE AS A WANT, BUT THAT THERE SHOULD BE ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR THAT, JUST LIKE THERE ARE FOR OUR IN CITY AND OUT OUT OF CITY RESIDENTS FOR OTHER SERVICES. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE CONTINUE TO PUSH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT OUR BUSINESS. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS AN INNOVATIVE PROGRAM AND WHERE THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD. AND LET'S JUST SEE WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY ON THAT. AND THEN THE 25 RIDES MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I'D JUST LIKE US TO LOOK AT IF THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS IN AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE, COULD WE ACCOMMODATE THAT? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE NORM. BUT BUT LOOKING AT THAT AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL ASK ABOUT THE WAVE IS, IS THERE A WAY WE ARE INSURED BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE RIDES. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT, BUT THEY MAY NOT NEED A WAVE

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[1.C Blue Hole Park Update]

ALL. GOOD AFTERNOON. ERIC, INTERIM PARKS RECREATION DIRECTOR. I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING HOW MUCH I REALLY LIKE COUNCILMAN PITTS JACKET. IT'S REALLY NICE. CAN I COME STAND BY YOU DOWN THERE, PLEASE? COME ON. YOU CAN HELP ME OUT. SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TO TO DISCUSS THE BLUE HOLE. BLUE HOLE PARK UPDATE WITH YOU. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW THROUGH OUR BACKGROUND, OUR CURRENT DESIGN STATUS, AND THEN

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THE PARKING AND TURNAROUND GOES DEEPER INTO THE PARK. AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IN OUR DESIGN DEVELOPMENT IS A SHALLOWER AND WIDER PARKING ENTRY. AND THAT'S PRIMARILY DUE TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH OUR TREE SURVEY. WE HAVE SOME VERY LARGE HERITAGE TREES IN THE PARK, AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TO MINIMIZE ANY IMPACTS ON THOSE TREES. AND THOSE ARE PRIMARILY THESE TREES RIGHT HERE. SO YOU COULD SEE KIND OF SOME OF THE DIFFICULTY IN WORKING IN AND AROUND THOSE TREES AS WE WENT THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

ANOTHER MAJOR CONSIDERATION IS IN DISCUSSIONS WITH ENCANTADA DURING OUR MASTER PLAN PROCESS.

THE ORIGINAL RESTROOM LOCATION WAS RIGHT BELOW THEIR OUTDOOR SEATING AREA, WHICH WAS NOT IDEAL. SO WE RELOCATED THAT, WHICH REALLY WORKED OUT BETTER BECAUSE IT'S A BETTER ACCESS, HAS BETTER VISIBILITY AND PROVIDES. IT'S A BETTER, I THINK, VISITOR EXPERIENCE. YOU ALSO SEE A PROTECTED DROP OFF IF Y'ALL WITNESS THE OUT THERE, THE ACTIVITY OF DROPPING OFF POOL FLOATS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE CHAIRS. THIS IMPROVES THAT FROM WHAT WHAT WE SEE CURRENTLY FOR SURE. AND THEN WE ALSO TOOK CUES FROM THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, FROM THE ENTRY PROMENADE PERSPECTIVE, PROVIDING A BETTER, BETTER ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIANS. WE DID, IF YOU WILL SEE IN THIS THIS AS WELL, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE THAT'S CURRENTLY THE ROCK STREET PARKING LOT UP THE HILL. AND BY RELOCATING TO THIS LOCATION, IT HELPS OUR PARK OPERATIONS STAFF MORE EASILY AND QUICKLY REMOVE. LITTER ALSO HELPS TDS IN THEIR THEIR PROCESSES AS WELL. NOW WE'LL MOVE OVER TO WHAT THAT RESTROOM RENDERING COULD LOOK LIKE.

AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING SOME CUES FROM ENCANTADA FROM THEIR ARCHITECTURE, KIND OF BLENDING SOME OF THAT INTO WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS RESTROOM. AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE THE LOCATION IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PARKING LOT AND CREATES INCREASED VISIBILITY FOR FOR POLICE TO PATROL. YOU ALSO NOTICE SOME SEATING AREAS, WHICH AGAIN, AS PEOPLE DROP OFF INDIVIDUALS AND THEY WAIT AND OTHERS GO PARK. IT PROVIDES A SPACE TO, FOR PEOPLE TO TO REST AS THEY COME IN OR OUT OF THE PARK. AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOME REPRESENTATIVE IMAGERY OF WHAT THAT ENTRY STREETSCAPE COULD LOOK LIKE FROM A LANDSCAPING STANDPOINT. AND ONE THING I'LL NOTE IS ANY LANDSCAPING THAT WE DO WILL BE DROUGHT RESISTANT AND ONCE ESTABLISHED, WILL REQUIRE MINIMAL TO NO WATER. AND THIS IS THE MOST EXCITING SITE, I THINK IS WHAT THAT ENTRY PERSPECTIVE COULD LOOK LIKE. AS YOU AS YOU COME INTO THE PARK AND NOTICE A RELOCATED ENTRY MONUMENT, THE DROP OFF, AS WELL AS ONE THING THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IS OPPORTUNITY FOR A MURAL ON A RETAINING WALL. WE HAVE NO DESIGNS FOR THAT YET, BUT IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY AS WE WORK INTO THAT HILLSIDE TO TO ADD A MURAL. ONE THING I'LL NOTE AS WELL, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL, BUT WE WILL 100% ENSURE THAT A POLICE OR EMERGENCY ACCESS IS PROVIDED INTO THE PARK. I KNOW IT LOOKS A LITTLE IT LOOKS A LITTLE TIGHT HERE, BUT THAT'S THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING AND WILL ENSURE THAT THAT IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. AND THEN SOME SOME OF OUR KEY DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS.

OBVIOUSLY THE VISITOR EXPERIENCES ARE MOST IMPORTANT THING, BUT WE ALSO THROUGH THAT, SOME OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO OPERATIONALLY THAT CAN ASSIST WITH THAT IS THE SAFETY LIGHTING. AS I MENTIONED, THE RESTROOM VISIBILITY AND ITS ACCESS, IMPROVED EMERGENCY

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OKAY. AND WE ARE WE WOULD ALSO CONSIDER PROBABLY YOU SEE A FEW NEW TREES THERE, BUT THAT HILLSIDE IS WELL SHADED. OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S ALWAYS IN THE SHADE. SURE. HOW MANY TIMES A DAY, BUT GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, THE NORTH TO SOUTH OR EAST TO WEST SUN THAT IS SOMEWHAT PROTECTED. OKAY. AND I ASK THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU AND THEN WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE THE RENDERINGS ON SLIDE NINE OF ALL THESE TERRORIST EXAMPLES, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT SOME OF THIS MAY ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE KIND OF SHORE AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING UP TENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY OR NOT COMPLETELY. SO SOME OF GET TRY NOT TO GET WHAT'S IN THE NORMAL HIGH WATER MARK. WE'RE NOT GOING TO WORK IN THAT AREA. AND SOME OF THAT WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE LOOSER GRAVEL AND WATER INTERACTION, WE WON'T BE WORKING INTO THAT AREA. THIS TERRACING WILL BE OUT OF THAT OUTSIDE OF THE LOW WATER MARK OR HIGH WATER MARK. EXCUSE ME, TO WHERE OUR IMPROVEMENTS ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT TO MINIMIZE THAT FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATION IS THE GOAL. OKAY.

SO SOME OF THAT WILL BE AND THAT'S WHERE I MENTIONED SOME OF WHAT THE USERS ARE DOING.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE PUTTING A TENT IN THE WATER OR, YOU KNOW, FLOATS IN THE WATER, YES, THAT THAT'S, THAT WILL LIKELY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE. BUT WE WOULD HOPE TO HAVE SOME AREAS, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S NOT EXACT, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME LAWN AREAS THAT THAT CAN BE DONE APPROPRIATELY, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE WATER. OKAY. EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR SHADE. OKAY. YEAH.

SO I WAS HOPING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE ENOUGH AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HOPEFULLY MAYBE ELIMINATE SOME OF THAT AND BY PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL SEATING AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR PEOPLE TO USE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE THE CONCEPT. I THINK THE BATHROOM. THAT'S GREAT. I HAD HEARD THOSE COMPLAINTS. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS OVER THERE, LIKE THE DESIGN INCORPORATED, LOOKING AT THEIR ARCHITECTURE AS WELL. THE ENTRY PERSPECTIVE REALLY LIKE KIM'S IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE A MURAL ON THAT WALL, YOU KNOW, AND EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE IN THE FUTURE. BUT OVERALL, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLAN. APPRECIATE YOU ALL, I THINK NOT THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A FLOOD LIKE THAT ANYTIME SOON, BUT IN LIGHT OF THIS PLANNING, IT DID HELP US, I THINK, MAKE SOME BETTER DECISIONS ON THIS PARK AND SO APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT. AND THEN I THINK WE'LL GET INTO THE THE ORDINANCES AFTER THIS.

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SO SEVERAL QUESTIONS THERE. RIGHT NOW THAT AREA IS ROCK OR CONCRETE OR SOMETHING. A LITTLE OF BOTH. YES SIR. IS IT GOING TO SURVIVE HIGH WATER BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING FOR THE ROOTS TO GO DOWN INTO? OR ARE WE GOING TO JACKHAMMER DOWN INTO SOMETHING THAT JUST HOW HOW WILL THAT SURVIVE WHEN WE HAVE HIGHER WATER? SO OUR HIGH WATER TYPICALLY IS FLASH FLOODING.

VERY RARELY HAVE WE HAD ANY WATER THAT REMAINS AT THAT ELEVATION FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME. SO IT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE THERE WITH INUNDATION OF OF ROOTS OR GRASS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS WE'RE STILL CONSIDERING WHETHER DO WE DO NATURAL GRASS OR COULD WE POTENTIALLY CONSIDER ARTIFICIAL IN THIS IN THIS INSTANCE, JUST FROM A DURABILITY AND WEARABILITY STANDPOINT, THAT THAT THAT'S AN OPTION THAT WE'RE STILL KIND OF LOOKING AT TO SEE IF THAT COULD HELP. BOTH OF THEM HAVE DOWNSIDES, IF YOU WILL. IF WE DO HAVE A FLOOD EVENT, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO REMEDIATE SOME OF THAT. AND IF THERE'S GRAVEL DEPOSITED, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET THE GRAVEL OFF? AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS WE CONSIDER. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T. WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL FLOODS. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LITTLE OVER 18 YEARS. WE HAVE WE'VE HAD A HANDFUL SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE. BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE USE THAT WE GET, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, PLAN FOR IN OUR IN OUR OPERATIONS TO REMEDIATE IF NECESSARY. SO WHEN I SEE THE TURF AREA LABELED AS SUCH, AND THEN I LOOK AT YOUR PICTURES ON SLIDE NINE, I THINK IT IS. AND YOU HAVE NATIVE PLANTS THAT WILL SURVIVE DROUGHTS AND EVERYTHING. ARE WE GOING MORE TOWARD BERMUDA, OR ARE WE GOING MORE TOWARD THESE GRASSES THAT ARE NOT QUITE AS CONDUCIVE TO WALKING WITH BARE FEET LIKELY WOULD BE MORE TOWARDS A TURF LIKE BERMUDA TYPE TURF AND MAYBE INTERMIXED WITH SOME SOME BEDS, SOME LANDSCAPE BEDS. BUT WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THE UTILIZATION THERE. AND, AND IF, IF WE DON'T PLAN FOR THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, THE USE WILL WILL ANY AMOUNT OF WE SEE IT DOWNTOWN WITH OUR LANDSCAPE BEDS, RIGHT? THE PEOPLE ARE STILL WALKING THROUGH THOSE EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE FOOT PLANTS AND THINGS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS APPROPRIATE AND USEFUL FOR THE PEDESTRIAN USE, I THINK, NUMBER ONE. BUT THEN IF WE CAN REDUCE SOME OF THAT WITH WITH PLANTING BEDS, WE WOULD. SO EVEN BERMUDA IN TEXAS, SUMMERS TURNS BROWN.

AND IF THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC ON IT, IT DOESN'T LAST LONG. SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE MIGHT NEED IRRIGATION, WHICH IS ANOTHER PROBLEM. ARE YOU LOOKING AT IRRIGATION OR NOT? IF WE DO, IF WE DO A LAWN AREA, YES, WE WOULD IRRIGATE. OKAY. AND THEN THE TREES. I ASSUME THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO IRRIGATE THE GRASS, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH KEEPING THE TREES ALIVE. IF THERE ANY NATIVE TREES AND TREES THAT WE DO INSTALL ARE ARE IRRIGATED, THEN ON BEHIND THE PICNIC TABLES. IT'S MY EXPERIENCE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE LITTLE CURVES LIKE THAT AND OBJECTS IN THE MIDDLE, THE WIND COMES AROUND AND YOU JUST GET PILES OF EVERYTHING LEAVES, TRASH, WHATEVER IS THERE. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT AREA AND KEEP IT CLEAN? ARE WE? I SAW LATER ON WE HAVE TRASH CANS, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE

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JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS PARK IS MAINTAINED NOW, CORRECT? OKAY. YEAH. WE HAVE THOSE SAME CREWS DOING DOING THE SAME THING. NOW, THE THE ONE AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT AHEAD, BUT THE ONE ITEM THAT IS THAT WE USED TO MAINTAIN THAT WE'RE NO LONGER MAINTAINING AS A PARK RESTROOM. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A NET NEGATIVE RIGHT NOW. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD COME BACK SOMETHING WE WERE, WE WERE DOING ANYWAY, BUT IT WILL COME BACK UNDER OUR OPERATIONAL STANDARDS. OKAY. ON SLIDE EIGHT, YOU SHOW AN AVERAGE HEIGHT BEHIND THE PICNIC TABLES, I BELIEVE, OF 2.5FT. I KNOW THAT THE CLIFF COMES DOWN CLOSER TO THE WATER. AND ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S ALL WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT? AND BECAUSE IT GOES STRAIGHT UP, THEY'RE NOT VERY FAR FROM THE WATER AND EIGHT FEET IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME, BUT I DIDN'T MEASURE ANYTHING. YEAH, IT IF WE'RE LOOKING TO THE LEFT IS UPSTREAM TO THE RIGHT IS DOWNSTREAM. AS WE LOOK CLOSER TO THE THE DAM, IT IS A LITTLE CLOSER, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRANSITIONING FROM THE PICNIC NODES TO, YOU KNOW, A NARROWER IN THE WRONG SPOT, SORRY TO A LITTLE NARROWER WHERE WE HAVE A KIND OF A NATIVE PLAYGROUND AREA AND IT GETS A LITTLE WIDER AS YOU MOVE TOWARDS ROCK STREET THAT THAT CLIFF. RIGHT. OKAY. AND I ALWAYS ASK ABOUT ADA. WE'VE GOT TWO ADA PARKING SPOTS, THE TRAIL THAT GOES UP TO SCENIC, THAT'S FAIRLY STEEP. DOES THAT HAVE TO BE ADA COMPLIANT OR WHAT? WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THERE? YEAH, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE OUR OUR EFFORT IS TO MAKE THAT FULLY COMPLIANT AND MAY TAKE SOME RAMPS TO DO THAT WHERE WE HAVE 30, 30 FOOT RUNNING AND THEN LANDINGS. THAT'S WE HAVE TO DO HANDRAILS IF WE DO THAT. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THOSE. BUT OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THE WHOLE.

BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE REGIONAL TRAIL SYSTEM, IS TO HAVE THAT TRAIL SYSTEM FULLY COMPLIANT WITH ADA. THERE. WE CAN, THROUGH SOME NATIONAL PARK STANDARDS, GET KIND OF WORK OUR WAY AROUND THAT, IF YOU WILL. BUT THE GOAL IS TO TO MAKE IT COMPLIANT. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE THE KIND OF THE ASPHALT ACCESS UP THROUGH THE CEMETERY. SO WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE THAT FULLY COMPLIANT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ERIC. THE THAT NATURE PLAYGROUND, NATURE PLAY TOWER WHERE IT'S LOCATED, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PROBABLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN, I'M ASSUMING. IS THERE CONCERN ABOUT DAMAGE TO THAT? OR I GUESS WE'RE COMPARING TO THE OTHER OTHER PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES WE HAD IN SAN GABRIEL AND HOW THEY RESULTED.

YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE REALLY GOOD THINGS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN I'VE SEEN SEVERAL FLOODS AND WE HAVEN'T HAD DAMAGE TO A PLAY STRUCTURE. WE LOSE THE THE WOOD FIBER, THE FALSE SURFACING, THE SAFETY SURFACING UNDERNEATH IT. AND THAT'S REALLY JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SEDIMENT AND DEBRIS GETS DEPOSITED IN IT. SO, YOU KNOW, BY NOT HAVING A MASSIVE AREA, YOU KNOW, LIKELY THE EQUIPMENT WOULD BE FINE AND IT WOULD JUST BE CLEANING OUT THE WOOD FIBER OR WHATEVER SURFACING MATERIAL WE USE AND REPLACING THAT. OKAY. WELL, IN THE, THE TERRACED TURF AREA THAT BEN WAS TALKING ABOUT, I'D ASSUME JUST LOOKING AT KIND OF WHERE IT IS AND COMPARING IT,

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I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRACTICALITY OF IT. BUT THE SAME WITH THE OPEN LAWN ON THE FAR WEST SIDE, I GUESS IS THAT THAT'S MORE GRAVELLY RIGHT NOW. SAME KIND OF THING. WE'LL HAVE TO BRING SOME FILL IN AND PUT SOME GRASS THERE. AND THAT HARD CORNER, IS THAT NOT A PLACE THAT GETS REALLY FAST MOVING WATER, THAT HARD CORNER THAT WILL JUST WASH IT ALL AWAY? YES.

SO AND OUR MOST RECENT DISCUSSIONS, WHICH HAPPENED SINCE THIS PRESENTATION WAS PUT TOGETHER, THAT AREA LIKELY WILL REMAIN WHAT IT IS. NOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF WALL, YOU KNOW, RETAINING WALLS JUST TO HELP WITH SOME OF THAT WHERE THAT WATER COMES ACROSS, THAT IS A HARD KIND OF DOGLEG AND IT HITS THAT FALLS PRETTY QUICK TOO. SO WE WILL LIKELY LEAVE IT WHAT IT IS. IT'S GRAVEL AND NATURAL GRASS. BUT NO, NO IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA. THE THE CURRENT BATHROOMS WERE DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR. AND SO THESE NEW ONES, I GUESS THEY'RE GOING TO BE THEY WOULD LIKELY HAVE BEEN UNDERWATER OR PRETTY CLOSE TO IT. I'D IMAGINE THAT AREA WOULDN'T HAVE HAD IT'S FAST MOVING WATER, BUT ARE THERE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STRUCTURES WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING THAT. IT'S JUST MORE OF A KIND OF AN ENCLOSURE VERSUS A CLOSED IN.

THAT'S ALL PICTURES OF IT, I GUESS. BUT LIKE YOU FEEL IT'LL BE BUILT IN A WAY THAT IT WILL WITHSTAND WATERS. YES. SO WE HAVE THE SAME CONCEPT AND IDEA IN SAINT GABRIEL PARK PHASE OR SAINT GABRIEL PARK ARE PHASE ONE AND TWO. RESTROOMS ARE ALL IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND BACK IN, OF COURSE, LAST YEAR THOSE WITHSTOOD EVERYTHING WITHOUT. THERE WAS NO DAMAGE TO THE RESTROOMS THEMSELVES OTHER THAN DEBRIS. WE HAD TO GET MUD OUT. WE. THAT WAS PART OF OUR VOLUNTEER EFFORTS IS TO GET MUD OUT OF RESTROOMS AND PAVILIONS. BUT AS FAR AS STRUCTURES GO, THERE WASN'T REALLY ANY DAMAGE TO THOSE. WE HAD SOME MINOR DAMAGE TO SOME OF THE PAVILIONS AND THAT WAS THE ROOF, THE THE TPU ROOF, YOU KNOW, HAD GOT WATER UNDERNEATH IT AND LIFTED IT, LIFT IT UP. BUT YOU KNOW THAT THOSE ARE ALL CONSIDERATIONS HERE IS TO USE THAT SAME TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE. THEY HAVE THE DRAINS IN THE FLOOR ARE ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS ARE RAISED TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE INUNDATION OF WATER. OKAY. WELL, OVERALL I LIKE THE DESIGN.

I THINK IT KEPT SOME MORE OF THE NATURAL, SOME UPDATED MODERN STUFF, BUT ALSO MORE NATURAL. WHAT YOU SEE IN THE RIVER THERE. YEAH. ON SLIDE 13, THE MURALS AMANDA WAS TALKING ABOUT DO SEE A GREAT LOCATION SINCE YOU TOOK SOME DESIGNS FROM OTHER PLACES IN TOWN. I THINK I SEE A GREAT LOCATION FOR ANOTHER TEXAS LONGHORN STATUE THERE. AND I GOT A CALL OUT. I REALLY, I REALLY LIKE THE BLACK BELLIED WHISTLING DUCKS YOU HAVE FLYING ON THE TOP AS WELL. THEY JUST APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S THAT'S A YEAH. NO COMMENT. I THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE THE UNIVERSITY'S OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION. OVERALL, I LIKE THE DESIGN. I THINK IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT. MY ONLY CONCERN AND I'M KIND OF INTERNALLY DEBATING THIS IS ESTHETICALLY PLEASING VERSUS PLANNING FOR FLOODING. AND A LOT OF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED ON SLIDE EIGHT. IF YOU HAVE SHRUBS ON THE FIRST TERRACE, THOSE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET WIPED OUT AND HAVE TO BE REPLACED AFTER EVERY FLOOD. I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T PLAN EVERYTHING FOR A FLOOD AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. THIS IS WHY I'M, YOU KNOW, INTERNALLY WEIGHING THIS. AND THEN SAME THING ON THE LAST TERRACE WITH THE SHRUBS AND TERRACE OR THE SEATING AREA. SO I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. I JUST DON'T KNOW. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO GIVE, GIVE YOU FEEDBACK ON FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I'VE BEEN IN FAVOR OF ANY PROJECT

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AND JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE USE THAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING. AND ON THAT SAME NOTE, IS THAT IT THE PARK BLUE HOLE IS THE FIRST PARK WE VISIT EVERY MORNING, AND THE LAST PARK WE VISIT EVERY AFTERNOON. OUR, OUR, OUR PARK OPERATIONS HOURS ARE FROM 730 TO 430. SO IT'S TYPICALLY IN THAT WINDOW ABOUT 30 MINUTES AFTER THE CREWS GET TO WORK. AND AS I'VE ALREADY ALREADY NOTED, THE CURRENT RESTROOM IS DAMAGED FROM THE 2025 FLOOD. AND SO CURRENTLY WE'RE OPERATING WITH PORTA POTTIES UNTIL THE RENOVATIONS ARE COMPLETED. AND THEN SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOR FUTURE ENHANCEMENTS WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THIS IN OUR DOWNTOWN MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS THAT THAT TEAM, THAT TEAM OF ONE STARTS AT 6:00 IN THE MORNING.

SO WE COULD WE COULD LOOK AT TRYING TO, TO GET LITTER REMOVED A LITTLE BIT SOONER. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO MODIFY SOME OF OUR, OUR SCHEDULES TO TRY TO, TO WORK THROUGH THAT TO, TO ENSURE THAT WE GET LITTER PICKED UP SOONER. BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME RESIDENT FEEDBACK ABOUT SEEING LITTER WHEN THEY'RE THERE ON THE TRAIL AND DURING THE EARLY MORNING HOURS, AND THEN SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TOO, IS JUST A FUTURE SERVICE LEVEL REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL DOWNTOWN PARK MAINTENANCE WORKER THAT WOULD NOT THAT WOULD NOT BE SOLELY FOR FOR BLUE HOLE. THAT WOULD THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD CERTAINLY HELP WITH EVERYTHING DOWNTOWN. ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE PARKING GARAGES AND CITY CENTER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IT WOULD JUST JUST HELP US DO, DO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL MAINTENANCE AND ENSURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE WORK DONE THAT WE NEED TO DOWNTOWN. AND AS WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY, ANYTHING THAT WE DO FROM A LANDSCAPE BED PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE ADDED TO OUR LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT. AND SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE SIZES ARE YET, IT'S HARD TO KIND OF EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE. SO AS WE GET FURTHER INTO CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, IS WHEN WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT THOSE POTENTIAL COSTS WOULD BE TO ADD THAT TO A CONTRACT AND THEN

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SO CURRENTLY THROUGH 2026, THERE'S BEEN TWO ALCOHOL RELATED CITATIONS AND THEN ONE CITATION FOR CLIFF JUMPING. AND I THINK THE GENERAL CONSENSUS HERE IS WHEN, WHEN POLICE ARE PRESENT, PEOPLE BEHAVE. SO WHEN POLICE LEAVE, THEY GO BACK TO THEIR ACTIVITIES. SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S BEEN NOTED FROM FROM A POLICE OPERATION STANDPOINT. AND THEN THEIR STAFFING GOAL BETWEEN THE PEAK SEASON OF MAY THROUGH SEPTEMBER IS GENERALLY THEIR GOAL IS TO HAVE OFFICERS THERE AVAILABLE FROM 5 P.M. TO 10 P.M. ON FRIDAYS, AND THEN SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS FROM FROM NOON TO TEN. MOVE OVER TO OUR CURRENT TIMELINE. SO WE'RE WE'RE HOPING TO WRAP UP CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS LATER THIS YEAR. AND CONCURRENTLY, OUR REGULATORY PERMITTING PROCESS IS THROUGH SPRING OF 27. HOPE TO BID SUMMER 27 AND THEN BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN 27 OR EARLY 28, EXCUSE ME, BE COMPLETED IN EARLY 28, BUT THIS WILL BE I GUESS MY LAST NOTE IS THAT THIS WILL BE A FUTURE DISCUSSION AT THE BOND ELECTION WORKSHOP IN IN OCTOBER FOR FOR A TIMING OPPORTUNITIES. AND THAT'S IT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON. AND IT'S RELATED TO THE ORDINANCES AND I HAVE NOT I'VE NOT FULLY THOUGHT THIS THROUGH YET, BUT I'M CURIOUS, ERIC, IN YOUR OPINION, IF WE WERE TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT PREVENTED PEOPLE FROM PUTTING SHADE STRUCTURES IN THE WATER OR LIKE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE WATER AND REQUIRED THEM TO BE SET BACK FURTHER OR LIKE BEYOND THE SIDEWALK. DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD HELP WITH LIKE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE, THE LITTER, THE TRASH, AND SORT OF THE. GENERAL TREATMENT OF RESPECT OF THE PARK? IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK IT STILL COMES DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, ANY ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE STILL COMES DOWN TO THE ABILITY FOR FOR, I THINK, POLICE TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT ACTIVITY. ALCOHOL HAS BEEN ONE THAT WE DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT EARLY THIS SUMMER. WE HAVE WE WERE HAVING SOME ISSUES, BUT THEN WITH SOME INCREASED PRESENCE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THAT SEEMED TO HAVE SUBSIDED, AT LEAST WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM OUR TEAMS. FOR PERSPECTIVE, WHEN THEY WERE REMOVING LITTER, WE WERE KIND OF WATCHING LIKE, HOW MUCH HOW MANY BEER CANS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ALCOHOL CONTAINERS ARE Y'ALL REMOVING WHEN Y'ALL DO LITTER? AND THAT DID REDUCE AS THE SUMMER WENT ON. SO THAT WAS HELPFUL. BUT I DON'T KNOW FROM, YOU KNOW, SAYING, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD HELP. IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO. ONE THING I'VE NOTED THIS YEAR TOO, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFICE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE LOW WATER CROSSING IN SAN GABRIEL PARK IS SEEN MORE PEOPLE, FAMILIES MOVING OVER TO THAT AREA AFTER WE DID SOME OF THE GRAVEL REMOVAL. AND YOU SEE SOME OF THE SAME TYPE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, SEE, YOU KNOW, PARENTS AND LITTLE KIDS WITH, WITH SHADE STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THAT WATER. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, IF WE DO DISALLOW THAT, I THINK WE WOULD DO IT, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE PARK SYSTEM, THERE'S NOT AS BIG OF AN AREA IN SAN GABRIEL PARK TO WHERE YOU HAVE THAT ACCESS, THAT LOW ACCESS. YEAH. AND I THINK, I GUESS MY CONCERN WITH BLUE HOLE PARK IN GENERAL IS THAT. OR MAYBE BY CONTRAST, SAN GABRIEL PARK HAS A VERY ATTRACTIVE WATER FRONTAGE. AND I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, PEOPLE TREAT IT WITH RESPECT AND IT'S ESTHETICALLY PLEASING. AND BLUE HOLE IS NOT THAT WAY. IT'S NOT TREATED THAT WAY BY THE PUBLIC. AND, YOU KNOW, TO TO SOME DEGREE, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT WE CAN ENFORCE. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EASY ONE IF WE COULD MOVE STRAIGHT SHADE STRUCTURES OUT OF THE WATER ITSELF OR THE IMMEDIATE EDGE OF THE WATER, IT WOULD LOOK NICER. AND I THINK TO SOME EXTENT, IF IT LOOKS NICER, PEOPLE WILL TREAT IT NICER AND TREAT IT AS A SERIOUS, A MORE SERIOUS PARK. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON, BY THE WAY, THAT I SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THESE BLUE HOLE ENHANCEMENTS IS BECAUSE I THINK IF WE INVEST IN THIS PARK AND INVEST IN MAKING IT A MORE BEAUTIFUL PLACE, PEOPLE WILL TREAT IT WITH A GREATER LEVEL OF RESPECT THAN THEY CURRENTLY DO RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A PLACE, A SWIM HOLE TO GO HANG OUT. AND I DON'T THINK I THINK IT GETS TREATED THAT WAY. SO

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AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TREAT IT LIKE A GOOD, ENJOYABLE, FAMILY FRIENDLY PLACE TO BE. SO THAT'S PART, YOU KNOW, MY, I GUESS ETERNAL OPTIMISM IS THAT THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE MAKE AND REALLY MAKE, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS TO THE PARK IS THAT SOME OF THAT ACTIVITY I'M HOPING WILL TRANSITION TO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING BETTER. BUT TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. AND I THINK FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT FOR US, COREY AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, IS POTENTIALLY LOOKING TO FULLY DISALLOW PORTABLE GRILLS. THAT'S PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST ISSUE. MORE. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD SUPPORT. ALL CANOPIES. YEAH. PORTABLE GRILLS ARE OUR BIGGEST BECAUSE THEY GENERATE A LOT OF TRASH TO YOU AND PAPER PLATES AND PLASTICS.

YEAH. WE WE'VE ADDED ASH. IT'S HARD TO SAY ASH RECEPTACLES SO THEY CAN DUMP THOSE APPROPRIATELY IN A, YOU KNOW, FIREPROOF BOX. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE STILL SEE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DUMPING ASHES JUST OUT ON THE ON THE RIVERBANK. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE, IN MY ESTIMATION, PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGER, YOU KNOW, BIGGER STEPS WE CAN MAKE. SO I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO, THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF PARKS DEPARTMENT OR, YOU KNOW, GEORGETOWN PD THAT WOULD HELP REINFORCE THE INVESTMENT THAT WE'RE MAKING FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE. I'M INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. I THINK I THINK I REALLY AGREE WITH JAKE, AND I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT, BUT PUT IN PLACE RESTRICTIONS AS WELL, JUST LIKE YOU DO ON ALCOHOL AND CLIFF JUMPING AND SAY, IF THIS OCCURS, YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO GET FINED, OR YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM US THAT THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN BLUE HOLE PARK. YEAH. SO SO THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO WITH THE THEY SAID IT NICER THAT I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SAY IT WITH THE TERRACING AND WITH ASKING ABOUT PAVILIONS ON THE OTHER SIDE. I AM 100% SUPPORTIVE OF US ELIMINATING ANY SHADE STRUCTURES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, PORTABLE SHADE STRUCTURES AND GRILLS. I THINK THAT IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT THE ESTHETIC OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOWN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, AND ENJOYING THE PARK.

BUT I ALSO, THIS IS A THIS IS A GATEWAY INTO OUR DOWNTOWN. WE ARE EXPENDING A EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND THE DRIVE BRIDGE THAT IS GOING TO BE DONE.

WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE DONE AND IT'S ALL GOING TO. AS PEOPLE DRIVE OVER THAT AND YOU LOOK OVER. IT'S JUST NOT AN ESTHETICALLY PLEASING VIEW. IT IS NOT ATTRACTIVE. IT DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SIGNAL. I THINK WHAT WHAT I WANT TO SIGNAL WHEN PEOPLE ENTER THE CITY OF GEORGETOWN FROM THAT, THAT VANTAGE POINT. AND I CERTAINLY WANT PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE PARK.

AND I CERTAINLY WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE SHADE STRUCTURES AND PLACES TO SIT AND AND ENJOY THEIR TIME IN THE WATER AND WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND KIDDOS AND ALL THOSE THINGS. I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THEM TO, YOU KNOW, CAMP IN OUR PARK FOR THE DAY. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN ESSENCE, WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF ALL OF REMOVING ALL OF THAT AND ADDING THAT TO THE ORDINANCE. AND IF WE NEED TO DO THAT, IF WE'RE IF WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT IN SAN GABRIEL, AND I AGREE, WHEN I GO TO SAN GABRIEL TO WALK THE DOG, I DON'T SEE MUCH OF THAT. AND I THINK IT IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE WATERWAY IS SET UP THERE. BUT IF WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT, I WOULD SAY LET'S ADD THAT TO, YOU KNOW, TO I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY ASK, DO WE ALLOW THAT IN OTHER PARKS? BECAUSE FRANKLY, THE ONLY PARK I SEE ALL THESE SHADE STRUCTURES AND GRILLS AND COOLERS AND WHATEVER ELSE IN IS BLUE HOLE. AND I DON'T SEE THAT WHEN I GO TO SAN GABRIEL AS MUCH. I MEAN, I SEE PEOPLE IN PAVILIONS ENJOYING THEIR TIME WITH THOSE KIND OF THINGS, AND THAT'S FINE. BUT I DIDN'T I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE COULD EVEN POP UP A SHADE STRUCTURE IN SAN GABRIEL PARK. YES. YEAH. YOU CAN. I MEAN, JUST FROM AN OPEN PARK USE. YEAH. THERE'S I MEAN, IF YOU'RE RENTING A PAVILION AREA, WE HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON ON OUR PARK. PARK PARK EVENT PERMIT. SO WE'LL ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. BUT GENERALLY IF YOU JUST GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, POP ONE UP FOR THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T DISALLOW THAT. WE DON'T USUALLY SEE PORTABLE GRILLS IN OTHER LOCATIONS JUST BASED OFF OF THE ACTIVITIES IN OTHER PARKS. WE DO GENERALLY TRY TO INCLUDE. WE DO HAVE PARK GRILLS AT MOST PAVILIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO OUR GOAL IS TO KIND OF KIND OF MOVE THAT ACTIVITY TO WHAT WE PROVIDE. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. WE YEARS AGO WE DID AT BLUE HOLE, UP ON THE HILL, UP ON THE CLIFF ABOVE THE RESTROOMS, BUT TOOK THOSE AWAY. JUST ONE. THEY WERE MISUSED. THEY WERE STORAGE FACILITIES.

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I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM ONE OF THE ONES WHO'S PASSED ALONG CONCERNS ABOUT TRASH IN THE PARK. AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PICK THAT UP EARLIER. YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITIONAL PERSON IF THEY WERE LOOKING AT BLUE HOLE IN DOWNTOWN. BUT I'M SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED IN BUDGET NEXT YEAR.

I SEE THE NEED, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON MANAGING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF DOWNTOWN AND BLUE HOLE. IT'S IT'S A LOT FOR, FOR ONE PERSON TO, TO GET TO, ESPECIALLY AFTER BUSY ACTIVE WEEKENDS WHERE PEOPLE SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN BOTH THOSE AREAS. SO CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT CONSIDERATION AS WELL. BUT YEAH, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO, TO START TO ENHANCE BLUE HOLE IN THE WAY THAT I THINK THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO MAKE IT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A PRETTY HEAVY HAND STANCE ON, YOU KNOW, NOT ALLOWING THOSE THINGS THAT THAT DETRACT FROM SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO SPEND SEVEN PLUS MILLION DOLLARS ON AND IS A GATEWAY INTO OUR CROWN JEWEL OF DOWNTOWN. SO THANKS. SO I WAS DOWN THERE THIS MORNING LOOKING AROUND JUST TO SEE WHAT IT WAS. AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ON BICYCLES. AND IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT, OH, DO WE ALLOW BICYCLES AND SKATEBOARDS TO GO THROUGH THIS PARK? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LOTS OF PLACES WHERE YOUNGSTERS SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, TEN, 12 YEARS OLD LOVE TO GO AROUND AND TORMENT PEOPLE AS THEY SPEED PAST THEM. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WE HAVE A BICYCLE PARKING SPOT OUTSIDE WHERE THE CARS ARE PARKED THAT WE DON'T ALLOW THE THE BICYCLES AND SKATEBOARDS INSIDE THE PARK BECAUSE ONE. THEY'RE NOT NEEDED THERE AND TWO THE YOUNGSTERS CAN SPEED AROUND AND PLAY TAG AND ALL THIS OTHER GOOD STUFF AND REALLY TORMENT THE OTHER PEOPLE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES, NO SKATEBOARDS, NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THE PARK. AND THEN COMING DOWN THE HILL ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT'S A NICE LITTLE HILL TO, TO GO DOWN REALLY QUICKLY AND COME AROUND THE CURVE THERE. AND THERE'S SOMEBODY WALKING SLOWLY. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND OTHER THAN THE COST OF THE ENHANCEMENTS AND OTHER THINGS, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. YEAH. WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT AND THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GET INTO ANY KIND OF OPERATIONAL ISSUE IS THIS IS THIS IS A REGIONAL TRAIL FOR US. AND SO THE CHALLENGE OF TRYING TO LIMIT.

BICYCLES OR OTHER KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED ON TRAILS, BUT NOT ALLOWING THEM THE BLUE HOLE PARK AREA, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THE BECAUSE THE TRAIL GOES RIGHT BASICALLY IS THE CENTERPIECE OF, OF THE, OF THE PARK, WHICH MAKES IT A CHALLENGE. WE CAN LOOK AT WAYS TO ENCOURAGE THAT. PART OF THAT IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE TRAIL IS ALLOWED TO FUNCTION AS A TRAIL, AND WE TRY TO SEPARATE OUT. THAT'S WHY I THINK SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE. AND OPERATIONALLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T SETTING UP ON THE TRAIL RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? WHETHER IT'S THE GRILLS OR WHETHER IT'S THE WHATEVER, WHATEVER THEY'RE SETTING UP FOR THE DAY, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE STAYING OFF THAT TRAIL. YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, THAT IT'S A BIKE TRAIL. LIKE, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, I RIDE IT ALL THE TIME. I MEAN, AND THERE ARE KIDS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIDS RIDING BY THEMSELVES, RIDING WITH PARENTS. IT'S, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT KIND OF HANGING OUT THERE AND USING IT. AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU POLICE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S USED HEAVILY BY CYCLISTS.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHY YOU WERE TORMENTING BEN WHEN HE WAS DOWN THERE, WHEN YOU WERE RIDING YOUR BIKE BY HIM. THE WHEN WE GET CAMERAS, WE CAN WE CAN MONITOR. THAT'S RIGHT. WE'LL BROADCAST THAT THE. I DO LIKE THE ADDITION OF SECURITY CAMERAS. THE INCREASED INCREASED MAINTENANCE. STAFFING IS IS DEFINITELY NEEDED FROM THE DUMPSTER STANDPOINT. I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHO'S THERE PICKING UP. IF IT'S NOT THAT DUMPSTERS LOCKED AND NOT AVAILABLE FOR OTHER PEOPLE. BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS. I GUESS IT'S PICKED UP DAILY, BUT DURING PEAK SEASONS, IS IT SOMETHING WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, TRYING TO HAVE IT PICKED UP MORE REGULARLY THAN THAT, OR WOULD THAT NOT BE NEEDED? SO WE WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW. YEAH,

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AND SO THIS WOULD I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME, BUT IT IS IT WILL BE CLOSER. IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER FOR US TO TRANSITION THAT LITTER. AS FAR AS TDS SCHEDULE, I'M NOT 100% SURE ON THAT. I CAN GET BACK, I GUESS. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW WITH IT RIGHT THERE, BUT I GUESS IF IT'S SOMETHING OVER TIME, IF IF IT'S OVERFLOWING EVERY DAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE SOMETHING WE'D WORK WITH THEM ON AT THE TIME. IF WE'RE DOING THAT CURRENTLY, OUR TEAM IS DOING THAT WITH WITH TDS CURRENTLY. OKAY. SO ON THE THE CITATIONS, THAT IS REALLY LOW AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN OFFICERS ARE PRESENT, BUT I BELIEVE THE WAY IT WAS BEING HANDLED, IT WAS OVER TIME, THAT WAS A VOLUNTARY OVERTIME FOR OFFICERS TO SIGN UP FOR IF THEY WOULD LIKE. DO WE KNOW HOW, HOW MANY DAYS, HOW MANY HOURS? SURE. YOU DON'T KNOW HOURS. LIKE HOW OFTEN DURING THE SUMMER, ESPECIALLY ON BUSY DAYS. DID WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN OFFICER ON SITE DESIGNATED THERE WORKING JUST THE PARK? AND CORY, I'M SURE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT THING. FIGURE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. BUT JUST IN GENERAL, I DON'T.

BUT IT WAS STAFFED MOST OF THE TIME. IT WAS STAFFED MOST OF THE TIME, MOST OF THE TIME. SO THERE WAS AND, YOU KNOW, WE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE, WE TRIED TO STAFF IT WITH ONE. AND THEN THERE WAS A PRETTY BIG, I REMEMBER IN THE PARK. AND THAT LED TO THE ALCOHOL BAN. YEAH.

IT GOT OUT OF HAND. SO NOW WE, WE TRY TO STOP IT WITH TWO AT THOSE TIMES UP THERE. BUT IT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S BEEN STAFFED THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER. OKAY. WELL, I KNOW OTHER CITIES HAVE MARSHALS OR PARK RANGERS THAT ARE, I'M GOING TO SAY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. AND THIS MAY NOT EVEN BE CORRECT THAT THEY'RE DEPUTIZED, BUT THEY'RE ALSO SEASONAL. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER, LOOK INTO SOMETHING THAT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

WE DO HAVE OUR, OUR VOLUNTEER PARK RANGERS THAT DO THE WHOLE TRAIL SYSTEM. BUT YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM, AS MANY OF OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE RETIRED AND KIND OF GET THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PAY THEM ZERO, THEY GET TO MAKE THEIR OWN SCHEDULE A LITTLE BIT. SO AND WE ALLOW THAT. SO THEY ARE OUT THERE. I COULDN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THE HOURS AND TIMES, BUT. AND THEY ARE DOING THE WHOLE TRAIL SYSTEM. SO BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME VISIBILITY AS WELL. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ENFORCEMENT POWERS, NOR DID WE REALLY WANT THEM TO KNOW. I UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK, WELL, SAN MARCOS HAS MARSHALS THAT ARE SEASONAL JUST DURING THEIR PEAK TIMES. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY RECRUIT. THOSE GUYS DON'T KNOW BECAUSE, I MEAN, THAT'S A HARD POSITION TO FILL FOR SOMEONE WHO IT ISN'T JUST LIKE A LIFEGUARD. IT'S GOING TO SIT UP THERE AND HAVE TO BE TRAINED FOR CPR. IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY THAT'S, I WOULD ASSUME, LIKELY A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER OR SOMETHING TO THAT LEVEL, MOST LIKELY. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT IT APPEARS THEY FILL THEM. SO I THINK JUST HAVING MORE PUBLIC SAFETY PRESENCE THERE. IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO HELP ENFORCE EVERYTHING BECAUSE AT THE END OF DAY, IF WE'RE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ACTIVITY THAT'S RESULTING FROM THAT IS THE ACTIVITY THAT WE ARE DESIRING AND HOPING TO HOPING TO SEE. AND CERTAINLY DURING THE SUMMER, I MEAN, WE ADMITTEDLY, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A HUGE GAP. I MEAN, IF THAT WATER IS NICE AND DURING THE SUMMER, WE COULD HAVE A TON OF PEOPLE THERE ON MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. AND IT IS EXTREMELY CHALLENGING FOR AN ON DUTY PATROL OFFICER TO GO TO GO PATROL THAT AREA. THEY HAVE TO PARK THEIR CAR, THEY HAVE TO GET OUT. AND OF COURSE, IT'S IT'S AMAZING THE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE START TO WHISTLE. AND NOW WE HEAR BIRD CALLS AND PEOPLE GREETING US LOUDLY COMING INTO THE PARK. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WHEN WE DO, WE DON'T ENCOUNTER A LOT OF VIOLATIONS EITHER. AND OF COURSE, ONE SUMMER MANY YEARS AGO, WE PUT OUT SOME OF THE DEPLOYMENT GUYS UNDERCOVER, BUT THE FIRST TIME THEY DO SOMETHING, THEN THEY'RE THERE FOR THE REST OF THE DAY. SO, WELL, HAVING SOMETHING THAT WAS THERE MORE REGULARLY AND NOT JUST IN AND OUT. AND THEY WOULDN'T THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE'LL BE A COST TO THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT PERSONALLY, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO. BUT YEAH, THANK YOU CORY. THE, THE. I THINK OVERALL, ONE THING THAT I THINK THAT WE COULD BENEFIT FROM, AND WE'RE PAST THE PEAK SEASON NOW, BUT LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE, WE HAVE TIME NEXT YEAR IS TRYING TO GET SOME DATA FOR FOR COUNCIL. HOW MANY RESIDENTS VERSUS NONRESIDENTS? I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SPEND A MILLION BUCKS JUST FOR A BUNCH FOR PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE TO COME USE THIS PARK AT THE COST OF OUR CITIZENS. SO FIGURING OUT THAT DATA TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT'S THE MIX HERE FROM FROM THE PEAK DAYS? THIS IS ANECDOTAL, BUT I FEEL LIKE OUR PERCEPTION AND OUR EXPERIENCES IS IT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE HERE A LOT. WELL, AND THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO START CHARGING THOSE PEOPLE TO HELP THEM PAY FOR WHAT THEY'RE USING.

NOW, I KNOW THAT'S HARD WITH THE DESIGN OF IT, WITH THE TRAIL RUNNING THROUGH IT WITH

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BUT JUST MY THOUGHTS. THANKS, ERIC. I'M HEARING COUNCILMAN PITTS WANTS TO BE AN UNDERCOVER PARK RANGER. THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD. MY MY SENTIMENTS ALREADY BEEN SAID. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON OPERATIONS EITHER, AND I THINK EVERYTHING'S BEEN REALLY WELL COVERED. BUT IN SUMMARY, VIOLATORS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE A VIOLATION AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A COST TO IT. ALL RIGHT, ERIC, ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US? NO, SIR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK ON THIS. ALL RIGHT,

[1.D 9th and Main St. Parking Garage Retail Space Discussion]

OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M KIM MCAULIFFE, DOWNTOWN AND TOURISM DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY. AND I'M HERE WITH SOME INFORMATION AND GETTING SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL ON THE NINTH AND MAIN STREET PARKING GARAGE, RETAIL SPACE. JUST AS AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING TODAY, WE'LL TALK THROUGH THE BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT AND ALIGNMENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, AND HEARING ERIC'S PRESENTATION ON BLUE HOLE PARK BEFORE THIS. YOU'RE ALREADY IN THAT MINDSET. SO THAT WORKED OUT WELL.

THERE'S THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY ITSELF. YOUR DIRECTION FROM THE MAY MEETING AND SOME POTENTIAL STRUCTURES THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER, AS WELL AS GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK AND THEN SHARING OUR PROPOSED NEXT STEPS. SO WITH THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2024, WE HAD EIGHT PRIORITY PROJECTS. AND NO SURPRISE TO YOU, I'M SURE, BUT WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON HALF OF THESE VERY ACTIVELY. WE'VE GOT THE HISTORIC SQUARE ENHANCEMENTS UNDERWAY. THE DOWNTOWN GATEWAYS WILL BE PART OF THAT. THE BLUE HOLE PARK MASTER PLAN, THE CATALYTIC SITES. THERE'S SOME ACTIVITY WITH THAT HISTORIC JAIL SITE.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY AS WELL WITH THE DOWNTOWN PARKING GARAGE. SO IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. GIVE YOURSELVES A PAT ON THE BACK FOR GETTING THIS PLAN IN THE WORKS AND NOT JUST KEEPING IT ON THE SHELF. AND REFERRING TO SOME OF THE GOALS OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN. COUPLE THAT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THIS, THE DENSITY AND LAND USE GOAL. IT'S UTILIZING THOSE PUBLICLY OWNED SITES TO ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S APPROPRIATE IN SIZE AND CHARACTER FOR DOWNTOWN. SPECIFICALLY, THERE WAS A GOAL TO CONSIDER FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY OWNED RED POPPY PARKING LOT, WHICH IS THE NINTH AND MAIN LOT TO INCLUDE A MIX OF USES, POTENTIALLY INCLUDING THIS STRUCTURE AND RETAIL. ADDITIONALLY, A GOAL ALIGNS WITH TRANSPORTATION, PARKING AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO INCREASE AND PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING AROUND DOWNTOWN AND THE OVERLAY AS THAT INFILL DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, AND TO ALSO WORK ON DEVELOPING A PLAN FOR

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OPTION ONE WOULD BE A CONDO TO LEASE OR CONDO TO SELL OPTION WHERE WE WOULD CREATE A SEPARATE RETAIL CONDOMINIUM AND ULTIMATELY SELL OR LEASE THE SPACE. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING IN THE WAY THAT THE OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE WOULD NEED TO BE, WITH THE RETAIL COMPONENT BEING INGRAINED INTO THE PARKING STRUCTURE ITSELF. ADMINISTRATIVELY, IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, IF YOU DID A CONDO TO LEASE, GET THE CITY OUT OF BEING IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS. THE SECOND OPTION IS A LONG TERM GROUND LEASE, AND THE CITY WOULD LEASE THE DEVELOPMENT SITE TO A MASTER PRIVATE MASTER DEVELOPER. AND SO THAT DEVELOPER WOULD THEN FUND AND DEVELOP THE RETAIL SHELL, BUILD OUT AND FINISH THE SPACE, SECURE THE TENANTS, EXECUTE LEASES, MANAGE THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND THE CITY WOULD REMAIN THE LANDOWNER. BUT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BE THE RETAIL LANDLORD. SO THE RECOMMENDED APPROACH WOULD BE TO HAVE YOU CONSIDER A LONG TERM GROUND LEASE TO BEST ALIGN WITH THE INTENT THAT YOU SHARED BEFORE. WHAT POTENTIAL BENEFITS THE CITY COULD HAVE WITH THIS WOULD BE, OF COURSE, TO HAVE THAT RETAIL SPACE, BUT ALSO THAT PRIVATE PARTNER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, AND IT TAKES US OUT OF THE LEASING OPERATION. IT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LONG TERM REVENUE SOURCE.

AND THEN WHAT THE DEVELOPER COULD BENEFIT WITH THIS IS THAT THEY CONTROL THE RETAIL COMPONENT. THEY HAVE INFLUENCE ON THE DESIGN TO CURATE THAT TENANT MIX, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE LONG TERM CONTROL OF THE ASSET WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, SUCCESSFUL RETAIL OPERATIONS. SO THE CITY PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE LAND AND THE DEVELOPER WOULD INVEST, DEVELOP, LEASE AND MANAGE THIS PROPERTY. I ALSO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WOULD LIKE SOME SPECIFIC FEEDBACK WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEAL PARAMETERS WITH THIS OPTION, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO GO THIS ROUTE WITH THE LEASE TERM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND A MINIMUM OF 30 TO 35 YEARS. THAT WAY, THE DEVELOPER HAS TIME TO RECOVER THEIR INITIAL INVESTMENT, AND THEN IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR FINANCING. AND AGAIN, THAT LONG TERM INVESTMENT THAT THEY'RE MAKING AS OUR PARTNER WITH THIS, IT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET. THE DEVELOPER FUNDED RETAIL SHELL PORTION, AGAIN, THAT RETAILER WOULD OR THAT MASTER DEVELOPER WOULD PAY THE UPFRONT COST FOR THE RETAIL SHELL VERSUS THE CITY. DOING THAT AND IT MINIMIZES MINIMIZES OUR UPFRONT INVESTMENTS AND CREATES BETTER ACCOUNTABILITY FOR DELIVERY. AND SO NOW THESE ARE SOME OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GATHER YOUR FEEDBACK FROM. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR TAG IT. ANYONE ELSE, IF YOU

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AND IT'S MEANT LIKE, HEY, HERE'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING. TELL US WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, WHAT ARE YOUR PROPOSALS? AND THEN THERE CAN BE IT'S NOT AS RIGID OF A PROCESS. OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T THINKING YOU'RE CORRECT. I GUESS MY LAST COMMENT IS, IS WE ALL RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR THIS SECOND GARAGE AND MOVING FORWARD IS IMPORTANT.

YEAH. MY INITIAL THOUGHT WAS IT WOULD NEED TO BE LONGER THAN 35 YEARS. BUT YOU KNOW THAT AGAIN, THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW, IF WE SEEK FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE OUT THERE, I THINK THAT WILL BE TOLD TO US. I LIKE THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL. I THINK LET THE DEVELOPERS TELL US WHAT OPTION IS BEST TO GET THE BEST. OPERATOR, BEST PRODUCT, BEST RETURN, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. AND DEFINITELY IF WE DO A GROUND LEASE, 30, 35 YEARS WILL NOT BE LONG ENOUGH TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE FOR SOMEONE. THEY'LL BE REALLY HARD TO GET FINANCING, AND I THINK A 99 YEAR LEASE WOULD NEED TO BE THE OPTION. NOW WE CAN LEAVE THAT OPEN AND THEY CAN MAKE THAT SUGGESTION IF THAT'S WHAT'S BEST, WHAT THEY PREFER. I THINK GIVING THEM THE OPTION AND, AND LETTING THEM TELL US HOW THEY WANT TO DO IT IS, IS A GOOD APPROACH. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONDO CONCEPT, BUT DID WE ALSO CONSIDER FEE SIMPLE? JUST SELLING, SELLING COMPLETELY.

AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SHARED WALL AGREEMENTS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. OR IS THAT IS THE CONDO APPROACH THE BETTER APPROACH BEING ADJOINED BUILDINGS, I MAY ASK? IT HAS TO

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BUT IF THINGS STAY AS WE EXPECT THEM TO, THEN THE GUY, WHOEVER DOES THIS CAN CONTINUE THEIR INVESTMENT. SO REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, I THINK IS PROBABLY A GOOD WAY TO GO TO GET THE RIGHT PERSON IN THERE, AS OPPOSED TO SOME SORT OF A RFQ P. SO YEAH, A LONG LEASE.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE OPTIONS FOR THE FULL EXTENSION. SO QUESTION ON YOUR QUESTION NUMBER THREE, AM I SUPPORTIVE OF ISSUING AN RFP TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. YES.

WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. I MEAN IS THAT JUST LOCAL PEOPLE? ARE WE HOW WIDE IS THE NET, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M. WELL, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS WELL TO TRY AND PUT THIS OUT BROADLY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE BEST PROPOSALS POSSIBLE. SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE LOCALS. BUT ALSO BEYOND THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LOOKING AT CAMERA NOW BACK IN THE BACK, WE HAVE LIKE A WIDE NET AND A VESTED INTEREST. HAPPY FOR LOCAL DEVELOPERS TO BE ABSOLUTELY CONSIDERED. AND THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON THAT WE GO WITH. BUT I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE CASTING A REALLY WIDE NET SO THAT WE CAN GET THE VERY BEST PERSON. AS FAR AS THE OTHER DETAILS, YOU KNOW, I'M FINE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE LET'S SEE WHO COMES IN AND THEN LOOK AT WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK IS PROBABLY THE BEST AVENUE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WORKING WITH US. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IS, IS THE BEST THING TO DO THERE. I AGREE, I THINK A LONGER TERM LEASE IS GOING TO BE WHAT'S NEEDED. BUT WHETHER WHAT THAT TERM LOOKS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT, BUT I THINK LET'S LET'S GET MOVING ON IT AND SEE WHO'S INTERESTED. I THINK I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT ATTRACTING THE VERY BEST PERSON THAT CAN BRING US THE VERY BEST PRODUCT THAT THINGS THAT WE WANT HERE IN GEORGETOWN, DOWNTOWN THAT ARE UNIQUE AND SPECIAL AND COMPLEMENT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE DOWNTOWN. SO LET'S SEE WHO WE CAN GET AND THEN GO FROM THERE. THANKS. I'M LESS INTERESTED IN A LONG TERM GROUND LEASE. I, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A WAY THAT THAT'S DRAMATICALLY LESS COMPLICATED THAN A CONDO RELATIONSHIP. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH WHOEVER IS IN A BUILDING THAT'S ATTACHED TO OUR BUILDING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I SPOKE WITH SEVERAL COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE GUYS, AND THEY SEEM TO SEEM TO INDICATE THAT THE MARKET, THE A, YOU KNOW, A CONDO STRUCTURE IS NOT AN UNCOMMON STRUCTURE. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE TO WORK THROUGH. AND I THEY SEEM TO INDICATE THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE OF A MARKET FOR. A CONDO TYPE PROJECT THAN, THAN A LONG TERM GROUND LEASE, AS THEY'RE MORE COMMON. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF US WORKING ALL THAT OUT ARE.

THE OTHER THE OTHER CONCERN OF MINE IS I DON'T THINK I THINK IN THE LONG TERM GROUND LEASE, THE PROPERTY STAYS OFF OF THE TAX ROLL BECAUSE THE OWNER IS STILL THE CITY OF GEORGETOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY THE CASE, BUT BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. IF IT'S A CONDO OUT, YOU KNOW, RETAIL PORTION, I THINK THAT GETS BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS. AT LEAST THE DIRT DOES. SO I MEAN I FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK THE LONG TERM LEASE MITIGATES MANY OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE CONDO. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE WITH THE MAYOR'S POSITION THAT I'M GLAD TO PUT IT OUT FOR RFP AND GET PROPOSALS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND SEEING WHAT THE BEST SOLUTIONS ARE AVAILABLE FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. SO GOOD.

ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. IF WE SEND OUT AN RFP OR RFQ, WHATEVER IT IS, IF SOMEBODY CAME BACK AND SAID ON THE NINTH STREET SIDE THEY WANTED TO GO TWO STORIES, IS IT THAT'S A

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[Executive Session]